Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Enoch-2699399's column >>

ENOCH-2699399

Home Page
Lives well by G-d's Laws
Articles Posted: 82  Links Seeded: 2
Member Since: 11/2010  Last Seen: 5/16/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

The Sonoran Desert Wagon

Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
nature, desert, camping, not-news
By Enoch-2699399
Advertise | AdChoices

In the 1980's and 90's a close friend, colleague, and joint venture business partner and I used to go camping in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona. We always had a great time.

I grew up spending lots of time in the Eagle Rock Reservation in New Jersey. I am used to nature. I love camping out under the stars. To being in tune with what surrounds us in its pristine undeveloped form gives me inner peace.

One of the things my friend and I would do is research the daylights out of where we would camp. Find out how those whose home was this land lived. To know how they survived.

My friend and I would to there with only a knife, matches, and half a day supply of food and water. We knew what we needed to survive. The closest thing to city life we brought were blankets. More on that in just a moment.  

There is all the water you need for hydration, hygiene, and cooking in the Sonoran Desert. It is a desert because of low annual rainfall. That does not mean there is not potable water for the taking. Some Cacti have roots going down very deep. The spiny material filters the water. If you cut off the top of the plant, the spongy material inside is replete with cool to cold filtered water. Its like a wet sponge. Just squeeze it and you will have all the water you need. Fresh as a daisy. This is what I did in the Negev desert too.

There are abundant safe food sources in the desert. It is not what you think of as food in drive through city franchise restaurants. But it is what the Native Americans who lived there for thousands of years ate.

The trick on plant life (my staple) is to be able to tell the poisonous plants from the safe ones. At various stages of their growth, some are safe, and the same are not. It depends on where they are in the growth cycle. Until they reproduce, generally they are not safe. That is a mechanism of defense to preserve their species. Some are never safe to consume.            

Snakes and packs of mountain lions tend to hunt at night. It is too hot for their belly's and paws during the daytime desert sun. A lot of the desert is former ocean bottom, if you go back far enough in time. The orange color of the rocks stems from the rusting out of their metal and other mineral content. During the day, they absorb the hot sun. At night, they reflect the stored heat. At the Valley of Fire in Nevada, looking down at the Valley from the highest point, the night time rocks look like radiating embers in a fireplace. That is the reflection of the heat. This is where the blankets come it.   

If you put down five blankets over a bed of smooth rocks, they act like an electric blanket. the rocks radiate heat, and keep you warm in the cold crisp desert night air. They also keep you safe from prides of hunting lions and groups of snakes in search of their dinner. They stay away from hot rock areas. Interesting, this Native American method is one I used in the Sinai and Negev deserts in Israel. It is a tradition, half away around the world. In both cases, people have been living in harmony with nature for thousands of years.

The thing my friend and I love about the desert is this. 24/7, in the heart of the desert, if you are still and listen carefully, you can hear nothing.

Its a great vacation for your nervous system to get away from city noise, over crowding, and other sensory over stimulation.

As time permits, I would like to write an article about camping in my native North Eastern USA. It is a very different experience camping out at Eagle Rock Reservation than it is in either the Judean, Negev, Sinai, Sonoran or Mojave deserts.  

Enoch.             

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Back To Top | Front Page

Published to:

  • Enoch-2699399's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Camper's Corner, Gnostic Vine, Native American Children, The Cherokee Lodge
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (70)
Jump to discussion page: 1 2
Enoch-2699399

This is an article about camping. Stay on topic, be polite, or be gone.

That said, enjoy. Feel free to contribute your positive camping experiences.

E.

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:32 PM EDT
evelyn44g

Enoch-2699399, were you talking to me when you said be polte, or begone?------evelyn44g

    #1.1 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Evelyn: It is a general comment, so there are no misunderstandings about derailers, snarks, trolls, etc. No mention is made of your name here.

    Why do you ask?

    E.

    • 3 votes
    #1.2 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:55 PM EDT
    Reply
    oldfogey

    Enoch, you may want to check out Dowser's new Camping group. Just started.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT
    There They Go Again

    Great stuff Enoch. Some people simply can't handle total silence (it makes my wife very nervous). Of course, where I go now, once you eliminate all human sounds, there are still the sounds made by small animals. It's really weird to be able to hear a mouse moving among the leaves (something you would never notice unless everything else is quiet). I find it very restful.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend TTGA: You and me both.

    I know what you mean. My wife cannot stand silence. When she gets up in the morning, the first thing she does is turn on the TV or radio.

    When I arise, the first thing I do is roll over and go back to sleep.

    E.

    • 7 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT
    etva

    I don't think I've ever heard silence, or rather the absense of sound. Even in the country, there's always animal noises or a breeze blowing through the leaves.

    Great article Enoch!

    • 6 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:02 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Etva: Thanks.

    E.

    • 6 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:38 AM EDT
    Jackie-2759125

    I love this article Enoch and look forward to your future planned topics. I can truly relate to your mentioning "hearing nothing" but nature. When I lived in Colorado I frequently fly fished at Pikes Peaks lakes and all you could hear was the wind in the Aspens. So peaceful. I would always fall asleep up there (partly oxygen depletion at higher altitude) but a larger part the quiet...nestling against mother at her most pure.

    • 6 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Jackie: Agreed. I reside here in the Finger Lakes of Upstate NY. When I fish or boat on any of the eleven finger lakes, or the two great lakes in our area, or any of the five rivers near us, it is as calm and peaceful as it can get.

    Thanks for sharing what we both know to be true. Nature is a double edged sword. But it has its moments. Kind if of like us humans, right?

    • 7 votes
    #3.5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
    Reply
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Oldfogey: I write this article for that group.

    Thanks for the heads up. That is most kind of you.

    I hope this weekend has been pleasant for you, my good friend.

    Enoch.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT
    Kavika

    Great story Enoch. I didn't know that you were a desert rat...

    Dowser's new camping group, join up.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Kavika: I did join Dowser's Camping group.

    I wrote this article for the group. Thanks for the heads up.

    I really started out camping on the Eagle Rock Reservation. That is as far from a desert as one can get. Its a very different experience.

    But I need not tell you that. You know that Minnesota and Nevada camping are on two different planets.

    E.

    • 6 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT
    Reply
    Vlad's dog

    I love camping but with a campfire there I tend to stay up all night to enjoy the experience.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:38 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Vlad's Dog: A night under the stars is not without its charms.

    E.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:39 AM EDT
    boomer 54

    Enoch,

    How interesting. I love camping. I live in the Smoky Mountains and have been camping all up and down the AT as well as in the park. Never camped in the desert, though once in the Grand Canyon.

    I'm going to use the rock trick to sleep on; have taken rocks into bed before, this sounds warmer.

    In the summer in the mountains we love to swim in the river. Here is our rock trick. Hold a rock, fairly heavy, close to your body. Walk into the water and over your head. As long as you hold your breath, you'll be able to walk on the bottom and see everything. (Keep your eyes open)

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Boomer: Thanks for the tip I will try that in Lake Ontario.

    E.

    • 5 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM EDT
    Reply
    Hiram-1381633

    Good rea Enoch my friend. I was born and raised in the desert by Reno NV, I now live in the Mojave Desert north of LA. There is much beauty to be found in the deserts if we take the time to look. I use to camp quite a bit but I now have physical limitations that prevent me from camping.

    H

    • 5 votes
    Reply#9 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Hiram: I was in the Mojave. It is a glorious place.

    We totally agree that there is much beauty in all deserts. Desert tours via Gray Lines are available instead of camping. Let them do the driving. You can kick back and enjoy the natural wonders.

    E.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:32 PM EDT
    Al-316

    Going through the desert by train has some advantages also, especially in the club car.

    • 2 votes
    #10.1 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:17 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Al: Agreed. Trains and Grey Line Bus tours too.

    All best regards. E.

    • 3 votes
    #10.2 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT
    Reply
    IndependentAmerican2892850

    I enjoyed your article and learned a few things too. Your narration made me long for the quiet solitude and stark beauty of the desert. Thank you.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Freind IA: You are most welcome my friend. Solitude, peace and quiet have their place in life.

    One can commune with nature in any clime. I live in an area rich in water resources.

    Trips to the desert give me access to an entirely different scene on our planet.

    E.

    • 5 votes
    #11.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:31 PM EDT
    Reply
    Dowser

    Lovely, dear Enoch! I feel like I've been there, through your eyes and words... Thank you very much!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:57 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Freind Dowser: You are most welcome. Camping stories is a great group idea. Many thanks for this original venue.

    E.

    • 6 votes
    #12.1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Camping is something so many of us enjoy-- The possibilities are endless!

    • 4 votes
    #12.2 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
    Reply
    bobby3053155

    I lived in the Sonoran Desert for 14 years! Well not in it, but in Tucson. Camping was great and not far away. Some of the best Mexican food in the world. The food is great. The Southern Arizona scenery is awesome. I miss it. Thanks for bringing back memories.? Catalina State Park, Sabino Canyon and Mt Lemon I did all of those and many more. Can't forget the Superstition Mountains outside Phoenix. Good story Enoch. Voted up as Matti would say.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#13 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:00 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Thanks Bobby, my good friend. Glad it gave you a stroll down memory lane.

    E.

    • 5 votes
    #13.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:48 AM EDT
    Reply
    PhxAZMom

    I've lived in Arizona 35 years. In 8th grade I joined the hiking club through my school. It was the most challenging thing I faced in my life at that time (13/14 yrs old). I learned organizational skills that I use to this day. I learned survival skills that I've had to apply in my life more than once. I began to develop inner strength and the understanding that we're more capable than we realize when pushed to face challenges we'd normally want to walk away from.

    I've backpacked all over the state of Arizona and it's true beauty unfolds off the beaten path. From the Superstition Mountains, Weavers Needle, Sugarloaf Mountain, Oak Creek Canyon, to the Grand Canyon; you'll find hidden waterfalls, abandon gold mines, and the priceless treasure that only memories can make.

    My best camping spot: The Grand Canyon. 1 mile down, and 9 miles across the dried river bottom you'll find Hualapi Indian Reservation. A place that's managed to stand still with time, in all the right ways. A small fee to camp on their land gets you some of the most beautiful scenery you'll ever see. Travertines with crystal clear water leading to 3 different waterfalls. The last and most spectacular Mooney Falls. Another 9 miles of hiking, once you're settled in, will take you to the roaring Colorado river. Rafters will stop and eat lunch with you, and share their thrilling white water rapids story!

    If you get a minute google some of the above names, and view the pictures. Then plan a trip! You'll love it!!

    Happy trails!

    • 7 votes
    Reply#14 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:16 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear PhxAZMom: Great post. Going to view the pictures on the Internet.

    FR invite sent.

    E.

    • 5 votes
    #14.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
    Reply
    YELLOW DOG D.

    Enoch, I am not much of a camper, but I do enjoy visiting the desert. Thank you for article

    • 4 votes
    Reply#15 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:31 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Yellow Dog D.: Deserts are great places for visits. Thanks for sharing.

    FR invite sent.

    E.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#16 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:53 AM EDT
    YELLOW DOG D.

    Gladly accepted, Enoch. I am just learning my way around the vine.

    • 4 votes
    #16.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Yellow Dog D: Welcome to the Vine. You are always most welcome in any thread I run.

    Peace and Blessings. E.

    • 4 votes
    #16.2 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT
    Reply
    tzia62

    I love to hear about camping adventures, but, being such a suburbanite (and a sissy) ,I don't know if I would be a big fan of camping or not. But, I can certainly understand all of the valuable lessons from camping!!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#17 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:55 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Tzia: You never know when you will have to survive in the wilds of nature. Ever been to a President's Day White Sale at Sears?

    E.

    • 3 votes
    #17.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:06 PM EDT
    Reply
    Remote Viewer

    This is a wonderful article, Enoch! Like Dowser, I felt as if I were right there in the desert.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#18 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:54 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Remote Viewer: Thanks for your kindness. Always great hearing from you.

    E.

    • 3 votes
    #18.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
    Reply
    krconnally

    Enoch;

    Good article, brought back some fond memories.

    vr

    Richard

    • 4 votes
    Reply#19 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:27 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear KR: Thank you for your visit, and kind words.

    FR invite sent.

    E.

    • 3 votes
    #19.1 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:41 AM EDT
    krconnally

    Enoch,

    Friend Request jumped on and accepted. Seems I'm acculatin' the best lookin' friends on the vine.

    Thank you, and call me Richard

    vr

    Richard

    • 2 votes
    #19.2 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Richard: Right back at you. Thanks.

    Enoch.

    • 2 votes
    #19.3 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT
    krconnally

    Enoch

    Try this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUAMUZJlpe4 for Mojave

    and this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4a0K4fxbpA for Titus Canyon Death Valley

    Ive done these both as my family is all nearby. Brothers, kids and grannies are further south

    vr

    Richard

    • 1 vote
    #19.4 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:52 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend Richard: Great links. Thanks for sharing.

    E.

    • 2 votes
    #19.5 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT
    Reply
    Al-316

    Enoch, my wilderness savvy friend. Enjoying nature in all of its flavors is a wonderful experience.

    You describe adventures where you seek and find natures abundance and seem at home doing so.

    I had similar adventures in the Sahara desert. I traded nature's abundance for the Army's abundance which turned out to be Dinty Moore Beef Stew. I learned it is possible to live a week on nothing but DMBS. The Army's answer to nature.

    Where is Jay when you need him?

    Wonderful article. Thank you.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#20 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:09 PM EDT
    Grisham

    Wow. That's very cool. Not sure I'd survive in the desert but it sounds interesting nevertheless.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#21 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:49 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friend and Treasured Writing Partner Grisham: Deserts, jungles and all in between are quick the trip. Its good to leave the asphalt and concrete busness districts, and get back to nature from time to time.

    E.

    • 2 votes
    #21.1 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:55 PM EDT
    Grisham

    Indeed. I like camping and stuff, but the desert...well...I don't like sweating much. LOL. However, I might be spending more time outdoors. I just picked up a compound bow and plan on joining an outdoor bow club. :)

    • 2 votes
    #21.2 - Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:02 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Sounds fun. Let me know how it works out.

    E.

    • 2 votes
    #21.3 - Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:18 AM EDT
    Reply
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Good Friend and Treasured Writing Partner Al: I grew up close to nature. I also did my share of field ops in the DOD. I feel at one and whole in natural surroundings.

    For us in the Service it was Spam. Not the Internet kind. The fatty salty meat stuff in a can. I went the canned bean route instead.

    I don't know where Jay was all those years. There are rumors his taste buds where shot off at Hamburger Hill. If true, that speaks volumes and solves many mysteries.

    Thursday night is the Chef's Rib night at Jays. He doesn't serve BBQ meats. Instead, he comes out an insults (ribs you) about your choice of ties.

    E.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#22 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:53 PM EDT
    Matti Viikate

    Thank you, for this well written article. It was good to see that.e voted up.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#23 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Matti: Thanks for your visit. Its always good to see you here.

    E.

    • 2 votes
    #23.1 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT
    Reply
    Kearney Outlaw

    I would hopeless in the desert. But I'd enjoy the solitude.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#24 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:05 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Peaceful, it does a body good.

    • 1 vote
    #24.1 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:54 PM EDT
    Kearney Outlaw

    Sorry... Laptop typos, I guess..

    I meant BE. I would BE hopeless in the desert. (Hopeless at survival, I think.)

    • 1 vote
    #24.2 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:06 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Hope is a four letter word.

    • 2 votes
    #24.3 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
    Reply
    RAY FRIEDMAN

    Gotta love the desert , though it seems so barren, it is majestically full of life wonders.Enjoyed the article and thanks.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#25 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:54 PM EDT
    Enoch-2699399

    Gotta love the desert, definitely. Teeming with life.

    E.

    • 2 votes
    #25.1 - Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:55 PM EDT
    Reply
    Jump to discussion page: 1 2
    Leave a Comment:
    You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
    You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
    (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
    Newsvine Privacy Statement
    As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
    FUN STUFF:
    • Leaderboard |
    • E-Mail Alerts |
    • Top of the Vine |
    • Newsvine Live |
    • Newsvine Archives |
    • The Greenhouse |
    COMPANY STUFF:
    • Code of Honor |
    • Company Info |
    • Contact Us |
    • Jobs |
    • User Agreement |
    • Privacy Policy |
    • About our ads
    LEGAL STUFF:
    • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
    • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
    • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com