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Angry With G-d. Chaplaincy Case Study

Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
religion, chaplaincy, g-d, culminating-life
By Enoch-2699399
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I recently spent time with, officiated at the funeral and internment of, and conducted afternoon and evening services at the Shiva (condolence call sessions) of a brave person who lost a decade long bought with cancer. Towards the end this good person told me of anger with G-d.  

"Why did I have to suffer so? Why me, and not people who actually bring harm and pain to others? I have grandchildren to nurture. I am a retired nurse. I strove all my working days to make better or at least more comfortable the ill. Why would a G-d who is all powerful and compassionate let something like this happen"?

These are all good questions, to which there is no easy answer. Believers have been trying for thousands of years, without any real success to address them. I will not take up your time with noble and ingenious but unsuccessful attempts to grapple with this series of important issues.

A chaplain brings peace. A chaplain brings to those who are culminating their life in this phase of existence a way or ways to exit from this mortal coil dignity, style and grace. Is letting someone die angry with G-d an example of competence for a chaplain?

I listened. If chaplains do anything of value, we listen. G-d gave us two ears and one mouth. There is an implied ratio for usage.

In the decade this good and brave person fought cancer, there was removed a kidney, most of the pelvic bone, and towards the end when all bones metastasized. There were multiple surgeries. All this bought time. There was a price tag for the time. Much pain and suffering accompanied the extra time bought. That was the news. There was good and bad news.

The bad news was the suffering. The good news is that this valiant person lived to see her two daughters and sons marry. I know. I performed the ceremonies. She lived to delight in baby sitting after retirement for her grandchildren. I know. As time allowed, I would pick up her husband, the grandchildren, and her and take them out to various lakes for summer picnics. Children running around parks giggling is the sweetest symphony anyone will ever hear.

During the fall and spring High Holy Days of Rosh Ha Shanah, braking the fast after Yom Kippur, Sukkoth, Simhat Torah. Chanukah, Tu B'Shevat, Purim, Pesach, Shavuoth; and all the other feast times at holidays she had another decade to celebrate them with family, extended family and close friends. Here too I know this. This family were always invited to our home among many others to celebrate these important and meaningful good days.

Medical arts advances gave her an extra ten years. Not pain free ones. Never the less, and not withstanding, another decade to be with family and close people. This seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. It should not.

There are things in our lives beyond our control. Mortality and morbidity are among them. Birth is a terminal disease. It is a question of what we do with our time here that matters, not how long we have to do it.

As a nurse, this kind and caring person brought comfort, healing and wellness to those who needed it. As a parent, grand parent, friend, community member, and neighbor this person brought nurturing, caring, skill, warmth and leading by example. At the end of   this exemplary life, should not it conclude on a high note?

I asked this question. We held hands. There was a smile. There was relaxing. There was peace. Inner peace. Then a final exhalation. Now this gift to humanity goes on to the next level up the great chain of being.

Nesiah tovah. Have a good journey.

Shalom U'vracha. Peace and Blessings. Enoch                                    

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Enoch-2699399

This is an article about helping someone who was dying cope with natural emotions, and struggles with a real issue.

This is not an article about, or a forum for what you believe or disbelieve. That is for other articles. You are free to write one.

Anything that is a derailment, snark, off topic,. mean spirited, attacking a person, or disrespecting the process of helping people to exist this life in peace dignity style and grace will be deleted for cause.

Follow the COH. It is only three letters. That is not onerous.

Be polite or be gone.

Otherwise, contribute your experiences and thoughts on how to leave this live at peace. That will be warmly welcomed.

  • 13 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT
Marine24

Ill make my comment short.

My mother also a nurse, god bless them, died many years ago from cancer only 54 at the time, however her comments to me on her deathbed was thank god Im getting away from him (my father), great humor from someone married for 40 some years. In her casket no matter what the funeral home could do for her, the pain of the cancer still showed upon her face.

She never complained would give the shirt off her back to the bum on the street or the richest person no matter the cause.

She was ready to go grandpa was there (Baptist Preacher), and I guess she was just tired of all the pain of living. Being a nurse since WWII she had seen plenty of pain, she died on the floor where she worked, the cancer ward. I miss her still today. My daughter was born one year to the day and hour that she died, this was gods will, as we had been married 9 years with no children. My daughter is now 32 and has 2 kids of her own. Miracle do happen.

To some people they ask why me to a select few we ask why not me, 40 year ago I died in a very distant land full of violence, just my body has never caught up with death as yet. I still ask why not me.

Oops sorry this wasnt short.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT
Remote Viewer

My heart goes out to you and your mother, Marine24. The world is better for her having lived in it.

Many died in the manner you describe in Viet Nam, and are dying today in Afghanistan and Iraq. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

I am glad you and your wife were blessed with a daughter and grandchildren!

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:41 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Marine24: I second everything the our good friend Remote Viewer said.

I can add nothing, as she said it best. Fully and completely.

The world was and remains a better place because people like your dear Mother and you are in it.

Peace and Blessings. E.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:06 PM EDT
Marine24

My dears friends I was merely relating my mothrs sory and not encouraging the kindness you have bestowed upon me. My mother to me and many was an angel here on earth, but it is a story of many a wonderful healthcare provider. I was merely stating that your your friends story is one side and I cannot blame them for asking why, and my mothers story is the other side of the coin. and that when it is your turn to go there is nothing in this world that is going to stop it.

My mother did more for this world than I, I merely defended those rights for people like her to give the care she gave.

I graciously thank you both for the kind word, and hope that I cleared things up.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:07 PM EDT
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Remote Viewer

Wonderful article, Enoch. Thank you.

I listened. If chaplains do anything of value, we listen. G-d gave us two ears and one mouth. There is an implied ratio for usage.

This is one of my favorite sayings as well. The value of listening and caring is incalculable.

There are things in our lives beyond our control. Mortality and morbidity are among them. Birth is a terminal disease. It is a question of what we do with our time here that matters, not how long we have to do it.

We can't be reminded too often of these fundamental truths that help us take the long view and face with courage and grace the unknowns in our individual and collective future.

  • 13 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Well said.

Many thanks for sharing your wisdom. It is as appreciated, as it is of great value.

E.

  • 13 votes
#2.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:19 AM EDT
Isabella-37

Thank you Enoch for this moving story of this wonderful woman. It brought tears to my eyes, and memories of when my husband died at a young age, way before what should of been his time. I was full of anger for such a long time, and I was so angry at God. I asked the same questions your friend asked you. She was so fortunate to have you by her side as she passed from this life. You brought her peace in her final moments.

  • 9 votes
#2.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:01 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Isabella: Many thanks for a heart felt post. You grace us with your presence.

E.

  • 8 votes
#2.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:02 PM EDT
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Grisham

Enoch,

Although I did not know her, I'm sorry to hear of her passing.

Birth is a terminal disease. It is a question of what we do with our time here that matters, not how long we have to do it.

Those are some of the wisest words I've ever laid eyes on.

Thank you for writing this article in her memory. I think the lessons learned here from this article only deepen her memory.

  • 15 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Agreed. Thanks for your acumen. It is on point and of great value.

E.

  • 13 votes
#3.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:39 AM EDT
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HollyKl

Wonderful article, Enoch. I am not, as you know, as particularly religious person but your article reminds me of some of my favorite lines from the movie The Fellowship of the Ring:

Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

Those lines come back to me from time to time, especially when I feel a bit bleak. I find them comforting.

  • 13 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Good that these words speak to you. The power of words are astounding, are they not?

We all need to decide how we shall exit this life. Angry isn't the best of all possible options.

Many thanks for visiting and contributing.

E.

  • 12 votes
#4.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT
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leonahardware

Enoch, Your kindness gives me strenth. Your wisdom gives me thought.

I went through my young life without death ever having touched me with it's cold hand. In the last 5 years I've lost most of those that I hold dearest. My grandparents, my mother, and my father. It wasn't until after my mother passed that I realized that death is the guaranty in life. That is something that is not talked about in our lives. We spend a whole lot of time planning for it, but we simply don't talk about it. Death, imo, is something to be celebrated. Not the loss, but the knowledge gained from the person's life. That is all. Thank you. (((((Enoch)))))

  • 11 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Leona: Thanks for your insights. They touch me deeply

E.

  • 11 votes
#5.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM EDT
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Jackie-2759125

Good to see you again Enoch and I really enjoyed reading this. You are a chaplain I think I could talk to easily and with confidence of being heard.

Something I've figured out for myself about one of the great questions you address here: "If God is so loving why does he allow his children to suffer so?" the answer for me is my challenge in adversity is to teach others how to live with suffering with grace and dignity. To teach others that no matter what adversity befalls us we can rise above it and go the distance we are meant to go until the lesson is taught. Sharing our experience, strength and hope.

I don't think the God of my understanding would want me or any child to suffer in vain. We are all given lessons and we teach others what we've learned by how we live with them.

  • 10 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jackie: This is indeed a profound and wise perspective you brought here. Many thanks for gracing us with it.

E.

  • 12 votes
#6.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:14 AM EDT
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Hiram-1381633

My dear friend as always your wisdom comes through. I have seen several friends and family leave this world in the past 10 years and have discovered that death all though in appearance is and end in reality is a beginning. My friend Marge went home to be with the Lord a few years back. She to had been battling cancer for many years. The surgery they were going to do had great risk. When she was told this she said tot he doctor " Itis a win win for me" . The doctor being confused asked her what she meant. She explained if it worked she would have more time with family and friends if it did not she would be with her Lord in heaven. It was a win win.

How we face death is directly related to how we face life. We can either embrace it or run from it. However none of us can run fast enough to win that race.

H

  • 11 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Agreed, and well said. It is all about how we deal with things we cannot change that define us, and our legacy.

Thanks for sharing my good friend.

E.

  • 9 votes
#7.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT
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ambivalent

Enoch, I am sorry for her, and also sorry for you because there are no real answers to that question. I am working with the same thing with people of two different congregations. We can only deal with the possibilities of comfort at each moment, a smile, an ear to listen, a presence of peace; these small things give strength when the patient thought it was all depleted - maybe not of the body, but of the soul, the heart. Your charge was lucky that she was given a wonderful and difficult job to do while she was well. She sacrificed, comforted, was the balm for so many others. What a joy! May she reflect on that now rather than the bitterness of terminal illness. Now it is her time to be comforted, perhaps without answers to her burning questions, but by a willing and loving companion - you, Enoch.

I have missed you, so glad that you are back here for a moment. May you too find peace in our discussion.

  • 11 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Ambivalent: Many thanks for sharing your ideas and wisdom here.

I do voter all your articles up the Vine. Please keep them coming.

Progress on then book continues, but slowly. It is quite the project.

E.

  • 10 votes
#8.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT
ambivalent

Take care, Enoch, and enjoy your project.

  • 10 votes
#8.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

You too, dear friend. E.

  • 9 votes
#8.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:03 PM EDT
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DocPhil

Enoch.... every time I read your words, I learn what it means to be a truly caring and loving person... I am so pleased to have you as a friend..... This woman may have endured unimaginable pain, but she also endured great love from her family and was blessed with a counselor such as yourself. Her suffering has ended and her memory will live eternally in the minds of the ones she loved and who loved her.

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Doc Phil: It is I who am the lucky one to be blessed with your friendship. As ever, thanks for gracing us with your visit.

E.

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT
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Holly-348328

I am glad you were with this woman when she passed away. Thank you for pointing out that how we choose to spend our time is more important than how much time we have to spend. You're a good man who helped her face death without fear.

  • 10 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Holly: Many thanks for your kind words, and visit.

E.

  • 10 votes
#10.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT
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tzia62

As I have told my daughters many times, life is not fair. We are on this earth too short a time .

Maybe the reward for dying such a painful death is the reward of the end of the pain. Nobody really knows for sure why bad things happen to good people.

  • 10 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Death is when the pain stops, and the good memories begin. E.

  • 9 votes
#11.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT
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The Opposition

At the end of this exemplary life, should not it conclude on a high note?

With so much wisdom and thought in this article, I think this is my favorite part. We are not given the knowledge of how long we will live or what our lives will be like, but we can choose how we approach the difficulties with which we are confronted. I don't believe we are given more than we can bear but even when we may falter, our faith is that we will be cared for. I think your being there to comfort her in her time of need was part of that. May you continue your good work, Enoch.

  • 9 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:56 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend TO: We all do what we can, not less. We both believe we are to be there for others, when and as needed and wanted.

Many thanks for your contribution here.

E.

  • 10 votes
#12.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT
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IndependentAmerican2892850

You are a fine example of what humanity can be, Enoch. Thank you for sharing this difficult loss and the insight that it brings.

I also wish to thank all who have commented thus far for their genuine sense of goodness and compassion.

  • 9 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend IA: This is the best of the Vine. When we set aside immature vitriol. When we work together to help one another.

Many thanks for your contribution. E.

  • 10 votes
#13.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT
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Arch-Man

Good article Enoch. When I try to understand suffering, I find my self reading the book of Job and feeling his pain and despaire. And in the end I am reminded of G-d's goodness and love for us.

Psalm 103:13 As a father pities his children, so the LORD pities those who fear him. 14 For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust. (RSV)

  • 9 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Arch Man: Agreed. Great comment. All the best to you and yours. E.

  • 8 votes
#14.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
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rochart

A fine article not just for the final human death but also for all of the small event deaths we suffer throughout life.

  • 8 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Rochart: Anyone who has ever been in a bumper to bumper traffic jam, a line where people sneeze at you while bureaucrats take coffee breaks, or in a room with a straight commissioned sales person grinding them into a powder to close the sale knows all about small deaths in life.

Yours is indeed a very practical and important observation. Thanks for making it.

E.

  • 7 votes
#15.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
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js-445607

Oh Enoch, this is a beautiful article and so highly emotional. I needed a time out to grieve a bit for all that cannot grasp the absolute joy that life offers us all.

My analogy of life would be like a beautiful bubble that is so magnificent we want it to last forever, yet know at some time it will pop and cease to exist as that particular bubble. Do we worry about when the end comes for the bubble or rejoice that we have been a part of its beauty and life and focus upon enjoying the time we have with the bubble?

It is very difficult for some to focus upon what they have and not what they do not have. Perhaps your dear friend was setting an example for being more aware of what is good in life and a joy rather than the length of time the joy will last. I believe we come here with a purpose and a path so some will lead and others will follow yet each roll is precious and should not be ignored.

Thank you, Enoch, your insight is profound and you touch so many with your words.

  • 9 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend JS: You may want to read an article I published on the Vine a while back, entitled, "Explaining Death to a Five Year Old - An Issue in Chaplaincy". I think you will like it,

Your "bubble" metaphor is a great one. Good show!

E.

  • 8 votes
#16.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:37 PM EDT
js-445607

Mahalo Enoch, I will move on over to that article.

  • 8 votes
#16.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Enjoy. Shalom U'vracha. Peace and Blessings.

  • 8 votes
#16.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
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etva

A beautifully written article, Enoch. I think the only way to leave this world in peace is through acceptance. I think wisdom is primarily based on acceptance; we stop fighting what we don't understand and accept peace.

  • 9 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Etva: It is all about acceptance in the final hours. As I said to my mentor and P.hD. dissertation advisor when I was at his deathbed, "Now is the time for hope, not fear". It is one of a great many things upon which we agreed.

  • 8 votes
#17.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:15 PM EDT
rochart

"Now is the time for hope, not fear".

Well put.

I'll only add that it seems to me that "faith without works" is like one hand clapping.

We definitely need more hope and works in this country right now.

  • 8 votes
#17.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:33 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Agreed and well stated. E.

  • 8 votes
#17.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:49 PM EDT
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SuperSaiyan

This is a great article Enoch-2699399.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

  • 9 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend SS: Thanks for your visit. Always a pleasure to see you here. E.

  • 8 votes
#18.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:50 PM EDT
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Dowser

When one is suffering, it is sometimes difficult to see "the big picture". I think your kind words helped your friend to see that big picture. No doubt you told her what she already knew in her heart, as well.

Sometimes, we know these things in our heart, but find it difficult to accept in our minds. And visa versa. Your friend's journey was complete, and now, she can begin her new journey-- one without all the pain and suffering of this earth.

You're a really good man, Enoch. I wish that someday, I could meet you in person.

  • 8 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:46 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Meeting you and yours would be a great honor for me. I did my undergraduate work in Lexington, KY.

Perhaps some day, if I ever do make it to an alumni event there, we can plan to meet over a nice dinner.

E.

  • 8 votes
#19.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
Dowser

If the weather is nice, I'll take you to Cunninghams, dear Enoch-- you have to enjoy the water here... :-)

Lexington is a lovely place-- the epitome of what most people think of as "Kentucky". It would be an honor for my family to know you and your family. I hope that someday, it happens.

Thank you, dear Enoch, for your loving kindness of all of us.

  • 7 votes
#19.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

With you as my role model, how could I go wrong?

E.

  • 7 votes
#19.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT
Dowser

Well, once again, I have tears in my eyes today... It has been that sort of day. Thanks, dear friend. I feel that kindness is something I need to work on, all the time. :-)

  • 6 votes
#19.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:55 PM EDT
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Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

Well...I'm one of those crazy "Believers". I understand pain, deprivation, and loss, as well. It is present in my life, as it was in the life of King David, unjustly accused and hunted by King Saul, living "hand to mouth" in the Judean Wilderness or at the sufferance of enemies, like the Philistines. The Psalms records some of his most anguished moments as he called out asking Yah'weh whether he would be able to bring praise (David WAS a Singer and Dancer of Praise...)from the grave.

Later on in one of his epistles, Paul reminded Believers in Ephesus that "our war/struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the unseen Powers, Principalities and Angelic Majesties in the heavenly places..."

WE are also reminded that Yah'weh is not slow, as we would consider it, but is long-suffering and compassionate. Our Courage in the face of outrageous fortune is our Testimony of Faith, that what our enemies mean for evil against us will be turned to good.

When the Assyrian Army surrounded the house that the Prophet Elijah lived in with his disciple Gehazi, his aide pointed out fearfully the huge army literally knocking at their door. Elijah prayed that Gehazi's eyes be opened, telling him there were more for them than against them, at which point Gehazi was enabled to see the huge angelic army ringing the Judean hills.

Those who suffer much in this world are promised many Blessings in the next. This is a world of pain and loss. We linger to be a comfort to those who love us, but pass into an Eternity that is truly "Perfect Healing".

In Leviticus, Yah'weh, speaking of Himself, said, "I am the GOD who heals all your diseases..." and later says, "I AM the GOD of the living, not the dead..." Therefore, if what is written is true, and GOD is not a man that HE should lie, then we have an eternal Hope.

  • 7 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:17 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Great Scholarship Dex. Hope is indeed what we all need. Particularly for a graceful exist from this life, as we transition to the next.

E.

  • 8 votes
#20.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:31 PM EDT
Dr Rex Dexter 'DeX'

And thank you, friend Enoch, for accepting my comment in the spirit in which it was intended. We can both look forward to the time when the world will truly be a place where "nothing's missing-nothing's broken."

  • 8 votes
#20.2 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:50 PM EDT
js-445607

Your post is very beautiful and rings true, Dr Rex, thanks.

  • 8 votes
#20.3 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:59 PM EDT
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js-445607

The 6th anniversary of my sister's death is October 29th. She died on our parents wedding anniversary date. My daughter was 22 at the time of her death. We got the "come quickly" phone call in the early hours of the morning. As we stood by her side across from one another we talked to her about her upcoming journey, told her how much we loved her and told her that now she would be free of a body that no longer worked for her. My daughter said, "Just think Auntie, you can have the best Halloween party ever! You can be a real pirate if you like with a real parrot this time". Celebrating Halloween was a very important and meaningful part of their relationship.

My sister had trouble letting go of anything in life that disappointed her so she was not a very happy human. I do know that she is much better now and was able to shrug off the hate and resentment that was weighing down her soul.

Enoch, I hope the farewell we provided my sister was as effective as the one you provided to your friend.

  • 7 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

I have every reason to believe it was.
It is in your inate goodness to be there for her when most she needed it.

E.

  • 7 votes
#21.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:45 PM EDT
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Kavatica

G-d gave us two ears and one mouth. There is an implied ratio for usage.

I love this. I am going to try and remember it, and use it.

Wonderful article. Thank you for sharing her story. And thank you for what you do. It is hard for us to make sense of those we love suffering. Hard to watch. And it is so important to have support from people who can lift us up. Thanks again, even though I do not know you. This article has filled me with more feeling and emotion than I am able to express ( believe me, I have been sitting here trying). Namaste

  • 7 votes
Reply#22 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:09 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

FR invite sent. You are most welcome to my threads any time. Thanks for visiting.

E.

  • 6 votes
#22.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:55 PM EDT
Kavatica

FR accepted thank you :)

  • 6 votes
#22.2 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:53 AM EDT
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screminmimi

A wonderful article, Enoch. I am sorry for the passing of your friend, and I can only hope that when my time has come to go, I have someone like you holding my hand.

My sister held mine as she slipped away; she said the pain was not nearly so bad while we touched. She, too, was taken by cancer.

  • 7 votes
Reply#23 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:23 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mimi: Most sorry for your loss. Your presence with her helped her transition from this to the next level of existence.

You did well. You always do.

E.

  • 7 votes
#23.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:56 PM EDT
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Al-316

Enoch, my friend, I am so happy to see you.

The explanation of why we experience pain and suffering is in the Bible.

I accept the pain and suffering in my life just as I accept G-d's wonderful blessings. I believe they co-exist in all of our lives.

G-d comforts me. I have found myself trying to provide comfort to others in their times of need and find that man can only offer temporary and superficial comfort. True and eternal comfort only comes for G-d.

Enoch, your return brings joy to this solemn topic. We need to celebrate. How about a party at Jay's Diner. Kavika has a new Diners Club credit card we need to try out.

  • 9 votes
#24 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:01 AM EDT
Dowser

Where is our dear Kavika? I haven't seen him in ages, and miss him!

  • 7 votes
#24.1 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:21 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: I am there in a flash. The idea of getting together with you, Kavika and all our good friends makes the prospect of dining at Jay's more than palatable.

I agree that there are surely limits to what we can do for others. It is our relationship with G-d which gives the us strength we need to be there for them, to the extent we practically can to be our brother's keeper. Work on the book I am writing proceeds, but slowly. If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing well. As time permits, I still write articles here on the Vine.

I also read and always vote up the Vine your articles. Please do keep them coming.

Peace and Blessings, E.

  • 7 votes
#24.2 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:04 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Dowser: Kavika is roaming the Southwest and West USA on a vacation. He is enjoying himself way more than the fish he catches are.

  • 6 votes
#24.3 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:05 AM EDT
Al-316

Dowser, the last time I communicated with Kavika, he said that he will be returning home possibly this coming weekend.

  • 5 votes
#24.4 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:02 PM EDT
js-445607

I woke up thinking about Kavika! Thanks for the update.

  • 5 votes
#24.5 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:02 PM EDT
HollyKl

I'm so glad to hear Kavika will be back soon. I miss him!

  • 5 votes
#24.6 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:06 PM EDT
Al-316

js, please don't tell me that you have been having dreams of Kavika. lol

  • 4 votes
#24.7 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:15 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dreams of Kavika have been known to occur if you eat blueberry fry bread, wild rice and drink sassafrass tea after 10:00 PM.

E.

  • 5 votes
#24.8 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:03 AM EDT
Kavika

Dear friends, thanks for thinking of me in a positive light. I arrived home last night from a long and wonderful road trip. Happy to be back on NV and to add my thoughts. I have added a comment to Enoch's wonderful article.

  • 3 votes
#24.9 - Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Welcome home good friend. It was not the same without you. We must hear of your travel adventures soon.

E.

  • 3 votes
#24.10 - Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
Kavatica

I know it is horribly off-topic, but would someone tell me what blueberry fry bread is? You can message me so I don't hijack Enochs wonderful article, but I really would like to know! Thank you :)

Edit: oh crud, I just realize I could have messaged you directly to ask my question ::sigh::

  • 4 votes
#24.11 - Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Kavatica: Please ask our good friend Kavika. It is an Ojibwe delicacy on which he was raised growing up in Minnesota. It is delicious. He is the go to guy for such information.

Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#24.12 - Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
Kavatica

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Have a blessed evening Friend Enoch :)

  • 3 votes
#24.13 - Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:24 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

You as well, dear friend Kavatica.

  • 3 votes
#24.14 - Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
Al-316

Kavatica, if you are into delicacies, visit Jay's Diner sometime. The ambiance is out of this world. lol

  • 4 votes
#24.15 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend: True that. A group of Martians came buy Jays last week, for their intergalactic Insalada Verde. It is out of this world.

  • 4 votes
#24.16 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
Kavatica

I will have to look it up. I do not know that imwould say I am into delicacies, but I am definitely into food!

  • 3 votes
#24.17 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:32 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

LOL

  • 4 votes
#24.18 - Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:06 AM EDT
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Allen Coat

I'm a cancer survivor, and why I lived and many others didn't, I have no clue. I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why God would take so many good people, and leave so many bad. I'll only know the answer until sometime after I die, at least I hope and pray anyway.

  • 8 votes
Reply#25 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:01 AM EDT
Dowser

You still have a job to do here on earth-- I believe. Somewhere, sometime, something you do or say will have a postive impact on someone's life. And you have to be here to do that. At least that is what I believe.

Glad you're here!

  • 8 votes
#25.1 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:23 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Allen: I agree with Dowser's wise response.

E.

  • 7 votes
#25.2 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:07 AM EDT
Al-316

Allen, my friend, Dowser speaks for me too.

  • 6 votes
#25.3 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
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