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What Will Your Legacy Be? By Al-316 and Enoch

Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
religion, actions, legacy, christianity, judaism, values, g-d
By Enoch-2699399
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Awareness of our mortality brings discomfort. We cannot control our ultimate fate. Knowledge of it can stimulate us to use the time we have while here in a more focused and constructive manner. Thinking about the legacy we leave when we culminate this life, we can effectively live more wisely.

Our good friend Al-316 and I shall share what each of us think our individual legacy should be, why, and how to achieve it. We welcome those who feel comfortable sharing what they want their legacy to be, why, and how they plan to make it happen. This can be an opportunity to learn from each other what is of value in life. It is also a chance to raise awareness of the multiplicity of good values to pursue with each of our time remaining.

 

Al-316: My life is shaped by the inheritance of strong and good values from my father, mother, and aunt who raised my brothers and me . It is also formed by the transmission of values learned from my first and second wife, my children and various life experiences, individual and collective. What I inherited and learned I wish to pass on as the legacy to my survivors.

My legacy began with values from my father. He died when I was six. I fondly recall our time together. He was patient and thoughtful toward me, my mom, and my brothers. I treasure those memories so much that I conduct my family life in my father's way. His legacy of values shaped my values and adult behavior.

My mother died when I was twelve. My memories of her are of mostly sickness and drinking. She had cancer and drank to ease the pain.

I remember stealing a small toy rubber lizard from a drug store. Mom made me return it to the store manager with a confession and apology. Despite Mom's illness she taught me honesty, kindness; and that you reap what you sow.

Just months before her passing, she arranged for my brothers and me to attend a summer Bible camp. There I learned how to be a Christian.

This experience taught me humility and inner conviction.

After she died, my aunt raised my brothers and me until her demise. She held us accountable for each minute of our time and every penny in our pocket. Her legacy to me was there is value in paying attention to detail.

Other life lessons she taught us were that a poor man has as much value as a rich one. A black man is as honorable as a white one. The unschooled are as smart as those with college degrees. It is important to help those less fortunate than you.

I was influenced by the Boy Scouts. They taught me about character traits and nature.

The U.S. Army revealed that we are all the same. There is great value in team work.

My ex-wife taught me that some women can't be trusted event though you love them.

My current wife of 34+ years shows me daily that true love and happiness can be found.

I strive for my legacy to be this, The values I inherited and learned from family, organizations, and institutions will live on through the good deeds of those I influenced in life. Their life values and accomplishments will be my legacy.

As life unfolds, so does my legacy.

 

Enoch: In search of a common thread to those things done of value in life I see this. As a son, brother, extended family member, husband, father, grandfather, CEO, Rabbi, Chaplain: where I have done well, it is because I acted in a manner that partially answers a very important question. 

In Beresheet: Arbah; Teyshah (Genesis: Four; Nine) it is written: "And the L-rd said unto Cain: Where is your brother?" And he said, "I know not: am I my brother's keeper?"

It has been observed by Biblical commentators that the whole rest of Scripture can be understood as a deliberate attempt to answer this very question. Are we the keepers of all members of our family of humanity?

Where I have succeeded in life, it is because I was able to be there for those who needed me, in the way they wanted and needed me to be. To love my family. To provide for them, to acculturate them, to make their lives fuller, richer: more humane.

The most lasting things I achieved ended as I was giving them. Giving my children a base in life from which to sink roots and live well. Providing for the needs of my wife, children and grandchildren. Creating jobs and shareholder returns by founding and running my own company which met and exceeded customer needs and expectations as President and CEO. Pastoring the spiritual and other needs of Congregants. Transmitting values well worth preserving and engaging in life. Helping those culminating this life in peace, dignity, grace and style.

I strive to live a life of service to as many members of our family of humanity as possible, that I may be my brother's keeper.

The legacy that lasts isn't about me. It is about those with whom I interact, and those who succeed us all.

What do you want to be your legacy? Why? How will you attain it?

 

                                        

    

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Enoch-2699399

Please be positive in your contributions. Do not belittle or argue with what the legacy of others is for them. That is their choice. Stick to an honest and positive exposition of what you want to be your legacy, why and how you plan to attain it.

We welcome a diversity of views on this topic. Sooner or later we all have to get our lives into focus and make a choice on direction. It is healthy both to think this through for ourselves, and learn from the thoughts of others.

The Code of Honor (COH) is a low calorie format for posting. It fits into every writer's diet.

Enoch, enjoying a plate of Legacy Linguine in Sauce Al Fredo at Jay's Diner.

  • 12 votes
#1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
Levi777

Al and Enoch, how very intetresting that you should write just such an article. This very topic came to me personally several months ago, and just today was whispered to me again. I remember that this issue of legacy was the after-thought when God spoke to me all those years ago, wherein He broke into my darkness and said, "Would you not like to be known as a righteous man?" When He speaks, it has been my experience that he quite often gives the immediate word coupled with a long term understanding. "After-thought" is not quite the apt description...I have not found the right one yet.

It seems to me that if we desire that our personal legacy be one of nobility, righteousness and honor, we must seek to instill such in our families, our children, our co-workers, the members of our church or synagogue, club, and so on. And in that you cannot give what you do not possess, even as we consider how to gift others with a good legacy, would we not also apprehend the same?

The prophet Micah gives us a clear criteria for a suitable, excellent legacy.

"He has shown you, O man, what is good; do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God." (Micah 6:8)

It seems to me that we could spend all day sitting beneath a tree with a new pad of paper, a new pen, and consider those three pursuits and what they mean in our lives. Again, we cannot give what we do not possess. So, let's consider:

Our neighbor comes over and tells us that shoots from a maple tree long ago cut down have grown quite tall and thick, and last night's wind has blown them over, so...now 25 feet tall, they lean against the neighbor's windows and the side of her house. According to state law, they had requested the original tree be cut down, and so it was done. So now, the maple shoots that came up from the trunk are the problem. In that the neighbors did not request that the shoots be cut down, any damage to her house and the removal of the branches from the side of her house and property is her responsibility. Can she afford to have them removed? Does she have insurance? She is well able to take care of it on her own. But is that just? Is it fair? Never mind state law, for we all know that civil laws often are not fair, and often neither is the application thereof. This is an actual event that took place, and last night and this morning I helped my friend cut up and put into piles the mass of thick branches and tree trunks that leaned across the fence into the side of her house. I am pleased that for my friend, his wife, and myself, there was no issue. We are taking care of it, because it's the right thing to do. It is just. And in it we are doing justice.

I love mercy. I love it because we all need it, and it is so beautiful when people receive mercy. I don't like to tell what I've done, because I want God to see it, and I want it to flow from who I am, but you see an obviously dysfunctional woman counting out change to buy a hot chocolate and you buy it for her. A guy in a wheel chair struggling to go up a steep hill, so you pull over and push him up the hill. You encourage others in the truth that love is a choice, and it is a verb. You have to DO the things of love! If you make love to be a choice, then love can continue apart from the person's actions, beliefs, political persuasions, lifestyle choice. And if you look for ways to do acts of mercy, to love doing mercy, you will find them.

I love that movie, "Pay it Forward", because it is all about doing mercy. Mercy may be defined, in this context, as "acts of underserved favor, and kindness". What if we all did acts of mercy with the only requirement being that we "pay it forward"? I know in the movie an attorney gave the reporter his car, and the drunk vagrant woman helped a criminal escape from the police. (That one was entirely devoid of "do justice)". The point is, acts of mercy are different for each of us. There is no set standard, no bottom line. That's why you gotta love mercy. It takes creativity, and an eye to see it. Quite often mercy is in the moment. You have to want to see it. Can't do that if it's a matter of legalism, form and rule.

"Walk humbly with your God" is a deal-breaker for many people. "I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD!" Well, okay. For such as these, I suppose that doesn't then apply. But then I think we're talking about my spin on legacy.

Our legacies are what we make for ourselves. The legacy I have from my parents I have rejected in it's entirety, and it is God's mercy that I escaped, although my brother and sister have not. Our world, our society, has us living in the moment where we do not consider the long view, the things of legacy, family history, who we are. Wether we want to or not, we will form our legacy, it is something we cannot do overnight. It is formed over a lifetime. We can change our legacy, in that they are determined at the end of our life, like a report card. It often takes great effort, much sacrifice, even great difficulty to change the impending legacy. Legacy is the response to that old question "Who am I?" The response is, "This is who I am". If we are alive and reading this, we can still change our legacy, though should we perish tomorrow, that opportunity would be lost.

Thank you again, Al and Enoch, and once again, I wax long-winded.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:26 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Freind Levi777: You were not long winded. You were thorough, thoughtful, and eloquent. Micah 6:8 is a personal favorite of mine. Mastering and reflecting it is indeed a most worthy legacy to pass on for the generations to follow.

As Walter Kaufmann, Chair of the Department of Philosophy at Princeton University in the 1960-1970 wrote, "We are none of us so rich in our own wisdom that we can afford to ignore the merits of those who passed before our time". I concur.

Thank you for a most provocative and sagacious contribution to what we are doing here.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:18 PM EDT
Al-316

Levi, my friend, I always enjoy your comments. The more words, the greater the enjoyment. I don't count the words and I hope you don't either.

The legacy which you consider worthy is indeed one to be desired. But what struck me the most were the words you injected; that you cannot give what you do not possess. That translates in my mind as to how important it is to reveal and demonstrate those values to your family, friends, and others as well.

By withholding from others, through missed opportunities, the values of justice, mercy, love, and the joys of a humble relationship with God, you are possibly depriving those people from possessing those values.

I had never consciously considered that aspect before. You are a very wise man, my friend.

I am grateful for your visit and comments. Al

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:29 PM EDT
King Dave

Nice thoughts..

Islam, Judaism, or Christianity? Even if you are a true believer, you only have at best a 33% chance of being right. Think about that for a moment.....

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:29 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Dave: This comment is off topic. It is about what people want as individuals to be their legacy. You are most welcomed to post what you wish your legacy to be. That would be on point here.

Please read my initial comment in this thread. We welcome constructive contributions. We look forward to reading your thoughts on what you wish your legacy to be.

Anything other than that is another topic for another thread. Those you are free and encouraged to post in your own articles

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:36 PM EDT
Levi777

King Dave, what strikes me about your comment is simply this, that if it were left entirely up to us, we would all probably be pagans. Fact is, the truths of God are revealed, and all else apart from the revelation of God's truths is the false. What this means is that God's criteria for who He considers acceptable does not fall within our guidelines. True, each of the three you mentioned has it's own claim to exclucivity. But if I know God, He is greater than our religions, and the only disqualifying factor is unbelief.

Still, I am glad you stopped by, because I want to affirm to even the atheists that an honorable and noble legacy is not the fruit of only those who hold to faith in God. The atheist can be merciful, do justice, spend his life as a gift to those in need and thereby be determined an honorable man. The organization Save the Children is not a religious organization (ugh, I don't like the word "religion"), but conisder all the good they do in this world among those who suffer. Have you considered your legacy, King Dave? When you pass from this world, what will those who knew you best have to say about you, your life, and who you were to them?

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:38 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Levi777: I agree with your that we all have a role to play in making the world a better place. My hope is that Dave will remain on topic, and feel comfortable sharing with us the vision of his legacy. We all can create a legacy, to improve things for everyone.

It is a big planet, and there is room for, and it is good that there is diversity of viewpoints. We can learn from and teach each other.

The existence of other religions is not a problem for me, any more than disbelief is. In Pirke Avoth, Rabbi Yochanon Ben-Zakkai write that the righteous among all nations will have a share in the world to come. He did not disqualify non-believers any more than other believers from being righteous. We all know there are people who do not share our views, yet live righteous and productive lives.

In support of his contention, Ben-Zakkai points to the story of Yonah and the big fish. Yonah (Jonah) tried to flee from G-d because he did not want to bail out the Ninevites, sworn enemies of the Jewish people. G-d reminded Yonah that the Ninevites are also a part of His creation and Divine plan. In my multi part series on the Kabbalah, I point out that in the Kabbalah, Adam Kadmon (G-d) has a role for every part of the creation. This includes those who challenge us who believe.

While it may look like religions are exclusive, it may just be that each in its own right is unique. For example, that we Jewish People were chosen for a unique historical role and covenant fulfillment does not preclude Christians and Muslims from each having their unique role, mission and covenant to fulfill and contribute.

Overall, it is important for humanity that we accept the rights of others to live life on their own terms, and protect our right to live our life on ours. Where there are differences, accept them.They will be there anyway. Where their are common values, shared goals, visions and aspirations, form coalitions to work together for the greater good. The alternative is gridlock. How is that working out in State and national capitols?

That people call themselves atheists does not mean they do not believe in anything. It is what you do believe in that matters. One can spend their whole life defining themselves by what they are not. It is what people are that matters. This is that with which they should lead.

Legacies do exist. Peoples legacies do survive them. No one could explain and cumulative knowledge or progress without that basic historical fact. The question is not who can leave a legacy, or where or not they exist. These are settled matters. The real question is, what will each of us strive for as our legacy? It matters for the children, grandchildren, and succeeding generations that in our own time we all do the best possible to make life better for those who follow us.

It is with profound gratitude that I thank you for your post. Great wisdom shown. I encourage you to join us and share your thoughts in future threads. Also to read if time permits past works of Al, Al and I and me. We want to hear from you, and learn from you.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:22 AM EDT
King Dave

My legacy will be having the stones to stand up to religious ignorance and do good for goods own sake. The religious can not say the same.

because I want to affirm to even the atheists that an honorable and noble

Not to be rude, it is clearly a distinction between us, I don't need affirmation or your approval. I especially want to keep the religious threats away from love-ones. Mine are principals, not opinions.

"Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being." Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept.

Godd day Sir.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Dave: Thank you for sharing your legacy vision of advocacy for what you believe. Positive advocacy for what one has faith in without being unfair or mean spirited is indeed a worthy vision of a legacy to pass on for generations to come.

One pperson's religious ignorance is another's religious enlightenment. Same for atheists.

Neither religious people or atheists need the affirmation or approval of those who opine differently. It is yet another thing we have in common.

Each of us, in a free society, get to decide for ourselves how to live our lives on our own terms. No one of us get to make or impose that decision on anyone else. Free society entails freedom of choice. You may wish to read the Vine article co-authored by Grisham and myself entitled, "Free Societies and Religious Freedom of Choice".

In it, I argued for the rights of atheists to be atheists without any inequalities in their status as citizens in society. The gist of the argument is that in a free society, it is not the choice made, but the right to choose that makes us all free. Would you really want to live in a society or world in which that freedom of choice for you is made by anyone else? Or Vice Versa?

One person's principals appear to others as opinions and vice versa.

One gets farther in life respecting the rights of others than by name calling, derailing, snarking, condescending, or trolling. You would not take seriously those who do that to you. What goes around comes around.

Respect and maturity beget respect and maturity. And vice versa.

"Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept". Ah, but this is precisely the central precept of Scripture. That is evident by reading this anthology in its original languages, with commentaries in their original languages.

Imagine how different our world might be if advocates who expect the world to stop turning on its axis because they have a cause would cease and desist from making straw man arguments based on mischaracterizations of what others hold dear? The chip on the shoulder thing has been tried and failed for thousands of years. A good point to recall as you build your legacy of advocacy for what you believe.

All good wishes on your advocacy journey. Thanks for your visits, and for sharing your thoughts on legacy. They are appreciated. FR invite sent.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:19 AM EDT
o'stephanie

Enoch and Al,

What lovely testaments to your lives and the values that you both hold dear. I am sure that your legacy will enrich your familes for many generations.

I have always believed that the only thing we are allowed to take out of this world is love--that which we gave and that which we received. My Daughter gave me a birthday card which contained a native American blessing: Thank you for being. It affected me greatly. Within, she had written: The world needs you. How odd, I thought, that she shares me with the world so generously. My deep sense of social justice and (even tho I grew up in very white Oregon) my love of people with differences has led me on my life's path and, I hope, in some small way has made the world a kinder, better place for all my relations.

Thank you for the invitation to join in. Lovely interlude here.

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:22 PM EDT
Al-316

o'stephanie, it is so nice for you to visit us.

Your legacy of love and thoughtfulness is revealed in the actions of your daughter. It is a beautiful thing to witness.

Thank you, my friend, for sharing the fruits of your life. Al

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:59 PM EDT
o'stephanie

You both have enriched many people tonight. Thank you both.

  • 5 votes
#1.12 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:31 AM EDT
Al-316

o'stephanie, thank you for your kind words. Al

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend O'Stephanie: I agree that the love we give and get will survive us It is what makes life worth living. It is what those who survive us will most remember.

We are indebted to you for attending this thread, and sharing your wisdom.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:38 PM EDT
Beauty

iCame, iSaw, iConquered, ichangedtheworld - Steve Jobs, 1955 - 2011http://www.apple.com/

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:54 PM EDT
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Isabella-37

Hopefully, the legacy I leave behind is that I made life a little easier for a child, that they had a warm coat to wear, that they didn't go to bed hungry, that they felt self-worth, that they felt loved, that they knew someone cared. Hopefully, a child I touched will someday continue that legacy on to another child in need.

  • 15 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Isabella What a beautiful legacy you leave for others hopefully to follow.

No one stands taller than when then bend to do something for a child's happiness and welfare.

  • 11 votes
#2.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT
Al-316

Isabella, your efforts to help children may be one of the most legacies. I commend you for your good heart. Thank you for sharing, my friend.

  • 10 votes
#2.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
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Kavika

One word to both Al and Enoch....Brilliant.

I hope that the legacy that I leave is one that my children, grandchildren, friends can understand and relate to. To fight for your rights, to stand up in the face of opposition no matter the consequences. To help those less advantaged. Never compromise your honor or beliefs. Love your family and friends. Not very inspiring but it's what I would hope.

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Kavika: Words of wisdom. As it says in the Torah, "Justice justice shall you pursue. They repeat justice twice, because it is so important.

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
Al-316

Not very inspiring but it's what I would hope.

Kavika gete niijii, I think this may be the first time I have ever disagreed with you. Your hopes are very inspiring, indeed.

Migwetch niijii.

  • 11 votes
#3.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT
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etva

Thank you for the beautiful article, Enoch and Al.

I've never really thought about a life legacy, primarily because I believe that "life is what happens in between making plans." So how can we plan for a life legacy? LOL:)

For me, my only hope would be that somehow, I made a positive difference to someone, whether I knew it or not. I think most of us do that over the course of time, often when we least expect it.

  • 12 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Etva: Good points all.

Some of the Rabbi's and teachers who most influenced me in my developmental stages I am sure had and have no idea what a difference they made.

You have definitely made a difference here on the Vine. I am sure just as much, if not more so in "real life". Your warmth, humanity and humor is an astounding legacy. Would that more of us follow your example.

  • 11 votes
#4.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:14 PM EDT
etva

Thank you Enoch:)

Some of the Rabbi's and teachers who most influenced me in my developmental stages I am sure had and have no idea what a difference they made.

Exactly. A simple, off the cuff comment can have a profound impact on one's life. It fascinates me to look back on conversations and activities, that seemed so irrelevant at the time, but ultimately changed the course of my life.

  • 9 votes
#4.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
Al-316

Etva, my friend, I believe that all of our actions are observed by those around us and help influence future actions.

You have always exhibited loving and caring nature and lke an echo, it resonates across the vine. I hold our friendship in high regard.

Thank you for sharing your feelings. Al

  • 10 votes
#4.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
etva

Thank you Al! Your friendship is important to me also. I think we all make a difference in our little corners of the Vine:)

  • 9 votes
#4.4 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
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Mrs D-1475814

I never thought about my legacy. Excellent article! A bit of background: My first marriage, I just turned 17 yoa the month before. My brother got divorced and had custody of his children. So he moved in with us and I took those little darlings under my wings. I was only 18 yoa then. They were 1 and 2 yoa. I had my first child at 19 yoa and my second at 24 yoa. So, I was basicly a child doing my best to raise 4 little children who depended on me. I loved every minute. My brother was involved in a vehicular accident and his children died. They were 7 and 8 yoa. The pain was overwhelming. I still cry but, I did come around eventually because I had two others to care for.

To keep this short because I don't think I can explain it all, I taught my children to care and love. I didn't want them getting married as young as I did. My goal was for them to get married for the right reasons...not because they NEEDED someone but, because they truly loved them. I wanted them to have college and not stray from that goal. I quit school in my Senior year and later got my GED and some college. :) They have their education, married and secure. I'm very proud of them.

I would like my legacy as truly loving all my children. It wasn't about me anymore. Raising a child is a 24/7 responsibility... I took that quite seriously. During their growning up times we had discussions on racism, sex, religion.. etc. Name it and it was discussed openly. I wanted them to be a viable part of our society with compassion and to think for themselves... Think! And, I learned much from them also. I will end this here as thinking about events gets me very emotional. Many thanks to Enoch and Al!!!!!

  • 13 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT
Al-316

Mrs D, the legacy which you started long ago is beautiful. It all starts with the family, doesn't it?

And many thanks to Mrs D for making this a better world. Al

  • 12 votes
#5.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mrs. D: I can only agree with our good friend Al. Yours in indeed a beautiful legacy. You are a role model for us all. E.

  • 12 votes
#5.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
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A. Macarthur

Nicely stated; there is a song that may be known to many in this thread ...

And in the end

The love you take

Is equal to the love you make

(Lennon, Winston, McCartney, James)

Abbey Road Album

  • 14 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT
Al-316

True and inspiring words, my friend.

Thank you for caring and sharing.

  • 12 votes
#6.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend A. Macarthur: You get back what you give out. So very true.

Many thanks for reminding us of this basic and vital wisdom.

E.

  • 12 votes
#6.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT
Levi777

It has been said that "He who would have a friend must first be friendly."

  • 3 votes
#6.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:51 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Levi777: True that!. E.

  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
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Arch-Man

Enoch & Al, Good article. Yes family and friends shape us as we grow up. Others such as teachers and public & sports firgures play a part. But evil shapes us also in this fallen world. But thank G-d for His Holy Spirit who draws us to Himself and we find our real purpose in life, to reflect His legacy. (I am that I am) I like to finish with one of my favorite scriptures, Psalm 71: 17 O God, from my youth thou hast taught me, and I still proclaim thy wondrous deeds. 18 So even to old age and gray hairs, O God, do not forsake me, till I proclaim thy might to all the generations to come. (RSV) G-d bless

  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:37 PM EDT
Al-316

Arch-Man, a legacy based on the foundation you describe will be a blessing for generations to come. Thank you, my friend, for bringing your wisdom to us. Al

  • 10 votes
#7.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT
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Atsidi

My legacy will be little, I have no children and most of my family is gone now. Perhaps a few words written in the sand to be remembered by some for awhile and then blown away by time.

This from the Rubaiyat,

With them this seed of wisdom did I sow, and labored with my own hand to make it grow. And this was all the harvest that I reaped, I came like the water, and like the wind I go.

  • 14 votes
#8 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:48 PM EDT
Mrs D-1475814

It may not mean must Atsidi but, you have made a mark in my life. You're an awesome man and I have learn much from reading your articles and posts. Thank you and bless you!!

  • 11 votes
#8.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM EDT
Al-316

Atsidi, I share Mrs D's feelings.

Lucky for us you don't write all your words in the sand. Those words which you share with us tell us your legacy is rich in wisdom and love.

Thank you, my friend, for being a friend. Al

  • 10 votes
#8.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:37 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Arch Man: Just as our good friend Al has wisely said, your perspective is a legacy that can surely make those in this world better by adopting it as their modus operandi.

Peace and Blessings. E.

  • 11 votes
#8.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Atsidi: I concur with our good friends Mrs. D and Al. You are a good friend, and speak words of wisdom and truth. These alone are two important legacy's.

E.

  • 10 votes
#8.4 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:53 PM EDT
etva

Atsidi, you have friends, and that in itself is a legacy. As Mrs. D says, your words have inspired us, and that is a beautiful thing.

  • 10 votes
#8.5 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT
Atsidi

You guys flatter me. Didn't think I was ever saying all that much.-- Thanks.

  • 9 votes
#8.6 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:23 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

You are most welcomed, here, any time.

  • 9 votes
#8.7 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:54 PM EDT
j. johnson-3157491

Atsidi my new friend how are you? don't dismay we let our own feelings of accomplishment grade our existence. where it is a faulty measure as we only see the surface from a reflection. "Beauty's Only Skin Deep" our essence is all absorbed beneath, expressed on the surface to other's but not entirely representative of us. if we only meet or talk to one person our entire live's we as well as they are impacted, we can not control the positive or negative of that encounter, perception is also in the eye of the beholder. you are Blessed you have your life, your experience's, your friend's that obviously care. if there is or is not a response you have made a ripple in the pond, no response just increase's the time till there is one. hope to know your friends too. God Bless my friends stay strong

  • 9 votes
#8.8 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
Atsidi

The thought crossed my mind a long time ago that our entire existence might simply be to have one conversation with one particular person for reasons that we might never know.

  • 8 votes
#8.9 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear J. Johnson: Thank you for your Service in defense of our country. Thank you for gracing us with your presence. Thanks for being there for Atsidi as a friend and in true fellowship.

FT invite sent.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 8 votes
#8.10 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Atsidi: If our entire existence is to be measured by one random conversation. I just hope I am not put on hold with recorded music for thirty seven minutes waiting to talk to a real person.

  • 9 votes
#8.11 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT
j. johnson-3157491

Enoch not even a problem my friend as to #8.11 ha ha ha ha ha i luv it be strong friend God Bless

  • 6 votes
#8.12 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:49 PM EDT
Al-316

j.johnson, I don't know you except for your comment to Atsidi in #8.8. I learned a long time ago I was happiest when I surrounded myself with people who were wiser than I was. Your comment #8.8, which I had to read three times to understand, puts you in that circle of people I like to be around. So, if you don't mind, I have sent you a friend request, hoping that maybe I will learn something.

  • 6 votes
#8.13 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
j. johnson-3157491

Al thank you so much i like friend Atsidi can use a atta boy once in awhile makes that ripple in the pond so much more amazing God Bless you my friend stay strong

  • 6 votes
#8.14 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
Al-316

j.j, Let's both stay strong, my friend.

  • 3 votes
#8.15 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:54 PM EDT
j. johnson-3157491

Al with a little help from my friends the Good Lord will keep us all strong God Bless

  • 3 votes
#8.16 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT
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Jackie-2759125

Lead by example...I hope people will remember me for that. Great article/subject matter you two.

  • 8 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT
Al-316

Jackie, my friend, the courage to lead is indeed a valid and admirable legacy.

This country could certainly use more people with your courage. Thank you for reminding of this valuable character trait. Al

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:12 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jackie: Leading by example is the purest form of true leadership. Practice what you preach established credibility. Great contribution. E.

  • 10 votes
#9.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
j. johnson-3157491

hi Jackie how are you? if i may i would like to offer this, as admirable as leading is especially by example it is a task much more complicated then the noble gesture. we should not be discouraged from entering that arena but we also need to equip ourselves. dealing in a public forum subjects you to as many personality's as people, some have same goal only different path and eta. not to be confused with our political atmosphere where the goals are 180 degrees away. some have that wanna be and snipe at any and all ideas, then the if i coulda,woulda,shoulda group also a determent, the frustration you yourself can feel from the opposition from these participator's not understanding or excepting, but just like you (you being an example of anyone) they have their own thoughts and the more passion involved the harder it is to except another's plan it's hard sometimes when the example you think you are setting is poo pooed by someone else. from experience as a 70's lightweight activist to a dad grandad and business owner, i came to realize that some of my stuff was just that stuff. stepping back and objectively looking at first your way then include or if need be replace with other ways. none of us has that magic road map nor the exclusive way of all ways. taking a second look at yourself than in many cases a first look at another much better receipe to get where all want to be. be strong my friend and God Bless

  • 5 votes
#9.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT
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TERESA OLEARY

I have met so many abused young adults in my work that it can be quite challenging for me to put a case for them when it comes to other peoples' opinions of why I worked in the criminal justice system in the first place with young offenders. However, as a psychotherapist, what I came across when looking at their family backgrounds which could possibly explain some of the behavioural issues these kids were exhibiting, I found either violence, physical and sexual abuse, and neglectful upbringing as pretty much the norm in their lives. Who of us, but for the grace of God, would have turned out with our heads the right way up had we been through some of the environments that these youngsters had. So my life legacy is that I at least hope that I turned around some of these teenagers who asked for help, and also contributed to those of us who live normal lives some escape from their antics!!

  • 9 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
screminmimi

Teresa,

I am not a professional, but I spend a lot of time with teens and young adults listening to them and trying to advocate for them in the judicial process in my little town. A lot of people tell me it's a lost cause but when one of them sends me an email or calls to tell me they have enrolled in community college or have completed a GED course or have secured a job, or have passed basic training and joined the military, I feel the time and effort was worth it.

What you do is heartbreaking in so many ways, and so rewarding in many others. I applaud you, and honor your legacy to these young people and to our community.

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT
TERESA OLEARY

Thanks, Screminmimi. Then you have a pretty good handle on the challenge it would seem from your own work, and the rewards. I get the "lost cause" feedback plenty, sure. But you have got to look past it. Because I KNOW, as you do yourself, that in lots of cases it's not all doom and gloom - kids can turn things around given a little (.. or lots in some cases) push in a different direction. I don't know about yourself, but I have had several attempted suicide cases, luckily not fatal, all for the lack of some being unable to find themselves out of a life cul-de-sac. It really can be that simple - so good for you Screminmimi, that you hang on in there.

  • 5 votes
#10.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
Al-316

Teresa, thank you my friend, for your devotion to helping those in such desperate need. Domestic violence is so destructive because it damages the core of human existence.

Your legacy is certainly one to be remembered and honored. Al

  • 5 votes
#10.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:20 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mimi: I applaud your legacy of being their for others. It is most professional, and highly praise worthy. Good job!

E.

  • 5 votes
#10.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:30 AM EDT
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Enoch-2699399

Dear Teresa: I have profound respect for the good and difficult work you do. As it says in the Talmud (Tikun Olam) if you rescue one, it is as if you rescued the whole world.

FR invite sent. Many thanks for gracing us with your prescence. G-d bless you for the good things you do. Enoch.

  • 8 votes
Reply#11 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT
TERESA OLEARY

Thank you, Enoch, for the support. Encouraging words in a challenging job. Friend invite accepted. I find your and Al's articles food for thought on my time on the Vine, and the respectful way you respond to some very antagonistic comments I have seen in the past from others. Keep up the excellent articles.

  • 7 votes
#11.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Thank you kindly. Al and I look forward to continuing to learn from you. Both here in our articles, and your own writings. E.

  • 7 votes
#11.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:56 PM EDT
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tzia62

I would hope the legacy I leave behind would be to try to find humor and goodness out of even the most difficult situations, and to make people laugh and love!

  • 8 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:47 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Tzia: If anyone can make people laugh and love, it is surely you. Keep up the good works. E.

  • 5 votes
#12.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:57 PM EDT
Al-316

Tzia, I have found your cheerfulness uplifting many times in the past. It is certainly a joy to share your company.

Thank you for sharing your legacy with us. Al

  • 5 votes
#12.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:26 PM EDT
tzia62

A1, thank you so much for the wonderful compliment, it really means a lot to me!! :-)

  • 4 votes
#12.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:08 PM EDT
Al-316

Tzia, your are welcome. We all need feedback, which lets us if our actions are accomplishing our intended purpose. It looks like we both did good, my friend. I am smiling too.

  • 3 votes
#12.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:01 AM EDT
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Remote Viewer

Thank you for this wonderful article, Enoch and Al-316. I haven't thought much about legacy until now. I think my greatest desire is for the sum total of my impact on the world to turn out more positive than negative.

  • 8 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:51 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Remote Viewer: You are a shoe in. The smart money is on you. E.

  • 8 votes
#13.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT
TERESA OLEARY

Remote - good summation...!!

  • 6 votes
#13.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT
Al-316

Remote Viewer, a positive attitude is sometimes the key to happiness. There is so much negativism in the world, a kind word or word of encouragement can brighten the darkest situation and be the spark of hope.

We all benefit from your attitude. Thank you, my friend. Al

  • 6 votes
#13.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:33 PM EDT
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ambivalent

Thank you for the invitation to contribute here. I had to think about the concept of legacy for a while. I want to tell you that my children are honest, hard working, good citizens. They are respectful and loving in their relationships as well. We have, as a family, been through pain with the death of their youngest brother at 19 years old. I knew we had to close that lost link in our chain; we drew closer. Through troubles and joys we have maintained a close bond.

My children are of very fine character, and I think this is my living legacy to them: Respect for natural beauty in everything, tenacity in love, extremely good work ethic, community and personal stewardship, caring for the earth. We love one another, and we feel it.

The rest, after I am gone, is all material, could float away in a flood. Who they are is my pride.

  • 10 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:08 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Ambivalent: Yours is the greatest of all legacies. Good work! E.

  • 6 votes
#14.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
TERESA OLEARY

Ambivalent - you have given your children the best of you, and that legacy will remain for the rest of their days - and those riches will be passed on to their own children.

  • 5 votes
#14.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT
Al-316

Ambivalent, yours is a wonderful legacy to witness. The values and character traits that you have instilled in your children will be multiplied throughout the generations.

Your legacy benefits us all. Thank you for sharing, my friend. Al

  • 5 votes
#14.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM EDT
SavickConn

A perfect legacy Ambivalent. You can't get any better than that.

  • 5 votes
#14.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Well said. Greetings and welcome. Enoch.

  • 4 votes
#14.5 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
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Grisham

I think my kids are my legacy. I hope I've been a good father to them and that they'll never doubt that I love them and only wish them the best.

Thought provoking article, Enoch and Al. Nicely done.

  • 12 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Grish: I know when I meet your family I will easily see the great influence you have been to them. Great work. E.

  • 7 votes
#15.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
Al-316

Grisham, I feel very strongly about the value of a loving family. Your love of family is a foundation on which happiness and prosperity will bloom. Your family is very fortunate to have you.

Thank you, my friend, for the importance you place on love. Al

  • 6 votes
#15.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:49 PM EDT
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screminmimi

I think my legacy is that I was there as a cornerstone for my grandchildren, and for some of their friends, when their parents could not be, and I hope they pay it forward.

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mimi: They will. Out of profound gratitude. E.

  • 7 votes
#16.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT
Al-316

Mimi, you may never see or hear of the influence you had on others, but rest assured it all registered. A cornerstone lends great support to the entire structure. Watch for the replay. You may not have to wait as long as you think.

Thank you, my friend, for adding strength here on the vine. Al

  • 5 votes
#16.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:58 PM EDT
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58rose

first, i didn't know we could send e-mail to other viners about our articles we have writing. we can do this?

a legacy, it is to think that much of your self. no i was here tried to help, did some things right a lot wrong. had to sons that hard working, a wife that says she loves me. oh gave a good home to 4 dogs. legacy, no just think about me once in a while.

  • 7 votes
Reply#17 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:34 PM EDT
Al-316

58rose. To quote the president, "Yes, we can". On each viner's homepage there is a "contact this author" button. When you click on that button a page comes up that allows you to compose an email. When you are finished composing, click the "fire it off" button and your email is delivered.

Whether you are conscious of it or not, 58, we all leave a little bit of ourselves behind everywhere we go. Generally speaking, what we leave behind is our legacy. The impressions we make, the help we give or withhold; whatever. People remember us that way and that is our legacy.

Your legacy seems to mirror what most of us would hope for. And I do think about you once in a while.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing, my friend.

  • 8 votes
#17.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:51 PM EDT
58rose

Al-316 legacy---personal property, money bequeathed by will.

memories and good feelings a legacy they are not.

  • 6 votes
#17.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:07 AM EDT
Al-316

58rose, excellent observation. One rusts and collects dust, the other endures forever.

  • 5 votes
#17.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:49 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Rose: What Al said. Thanks for sharing.

E.

  • 5 votes
#17.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:15 AM EDT
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Enoch-2699399

Dear Rose: Thank you for coming to our thread. You can send a Vine mail, or any form of e-mail to communicate anything, including giving a heads up to friends about an article you have written or co-authored. There is no Code of Honor violation in sending an e-mail.

FR invite sent. We value new readers.

  • 7 votes
Reply#18 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
bore-head007

Hiya boys!

I've never given this much thought, leaving it up to those I leave behind to create the definition of my legacy, the true description of the actions of a life lived.

I hope it will be one of respect, and humor, knowing I cared, and as a defender of those that could'nt defend themselves.

  • 6 votes
Reply#19 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Bore-Headed: One important part of your legacy is your advocacy for the independent fisherman, and against corporate and government corruption. That matters.

People need a fair chance to support themselves. The seafood supply also is necessary to feed the world in a sustainable basis.

Great work, my good friend. We all respect you for it.

E.

  • 8 votes
#19.1 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:10 PM EDT
Al-316

Bore-head, I don't believe that your legacy is in question or in danger. Your reputation of being a strong and well versed advocate preceeds you.

Speaking of fish reminds me of crabs, which reminds me of dungeness crabs, which reminds of eating. Do you have any idea why dungeness crabs are so scarce on the East Coast. The professor on that video you linked indicated our ocean fish supply was almost 100% self-sustaining. Just curious if you know. Thanks, my friend.

  • 8 votes
#19.2 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM EDT
js-445607

I hope I have made a positive impression on those I've crossed paths with in this lifetime.

  • 8 votes
#19.3 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:48 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

In my case, very much so. Smiles. E.

  • 10 votes
#19.4 - Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:53 PM EDT
Al-316

js, rest assured that your name is synonymous with friendly. It appears to me this is true on and off the vine. It is a pleasure to know you and count you as a friend.

Thank you for joining us here. Al

  • 9 votes
#19.5 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:12 AM EDT
bore-head007

Speaking of fish reminds me of crabs, which reminds me of dungeness crabs, which reminds of eating. Do you have any idea why dungeness crabs are so scarce on the East Coast

Gee, Al, you stumped me on the Dungeoness Crab question, so I poked around. They say its a West Coast specie, but for some strange reason, they are seeing some in New England.

I attribute it to cheap air fare, making migration possible for many middle class crabs looking to relocate!

http://www.andrewjmartinez.com/gallery.pl/84/crabsnewengland.html

js is a wonderful lady.:)

js I enjoy interacting with you, always appreciating the words, and images that you share. I consider you kind, and thoughtful. BH

  • 7 votes
#19.6 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:29 AM EDT
Al-316

Bore-head, thank you. :)

  • 8 votes
#19.7 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:54 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Bore Headed: And here I thought the crabs came to the East Coast to be closer to Jays Diner. Live and learn. E.

  • 7 votes
#19.8 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:17 AM EDT
bore-head007

Enoch, crabs of distinction hang at Jays.

  • 5 votes
#19.9 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

LOL. Great one. E.

  • 5 votes
#19.10 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
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Piletre

In thinking about leaving a legacy, the first thing that comes to mind is a "smile". It costs nothing. When I'm in public and I see someone, such as a street person, who really needs someone to smile at them - a real smile - not a fake one, I catch their eye and give them a smile and nod my head at them. Sometimes, if I have any spare money, I will shake their hand and leave a bill in it. They don't know me and I don't know them, but hopefully, I have lifted their spirits a tiny bit.

Also, when in public, I watch people, especially the older folks. I pick out at least one person and look for something about the person that is attractive.. it can be anything, but it has to be real because I want to be honest when I give them a compliment.

I do volunteer work at an antique store. The profits from the store go to a Food Bank for people who have AIDS, and their children. Because of my hearing disability, I work "in the background" polishing silver, sweeping, dusting/etc, plus helping out at Events doing set-up and clean-up. The recipients know that the volunteers who work to help provide the weekly nutritious food do it from their hearts. Even though those persons don't know me personally, I know they are thankful collectively to all the volunteers and think of them often.

Soo, besides leaving a legacy to my family of - hopefully - one of love and kindness and a lot of laughter, I hope that I have left strangers with the feeling that someone "out there" recognized that they are real and that they have been seen. That they are not just an invisible street person, or someone with AIDS, or an elderly person who may have no family left.

I wrote a poem a long time ago.. "Shopping Daze"

How many times have you walked the streets of town
In a rush to get the shopping done?
In one shop and out the other
Without realizing that on own your face,
a focused frown.

Consider the people who are passing along the way.
Do you ever look into their eyes
To see who is inside?
You might be pleasantly surprised.
Try it someday.

When you catch their eye, don't let them turn aside,
Give them a bright smile,
And maybe even a "Hello",
While you let the frown
On your own face subside.

People may often answer with a returned smile,
But maybe only a nod of their head,
Or even your eyes they ignore.
At least you tried
And that, in itself, is worthwhile.

  • 9 votes
Reply#20 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:30 AM EDT
Al-316

Piletre, what a joy it would be to cross paths with you on the street. You would certainly brighten my day. Spreading your smile and friendly glow as you move about is s lovely legacy.

I had no idea you were such a inspired poet. Well done, my friend. Thank you brightening my day. Al

  • 8 votes
#20.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:49 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Piletre: I concur with Al. Great poem. Super legacy. Where I reside there is an institute of technology where the National Technical Institute for the Deaf and Profoundly Hard of Hearing is housed. I used to teach in the graduate program of this school. A smile costs nothing, but is of infinite worth. Every student., whatever their challenges all do betrter in a smile friendly environment.

In my tradition, it is written in Pike Avoth (Sayings of the Fathers), "Al shalosha davarim omed ha Olam. Torah, Avodah, Veh Gemilat Chasadim". On three pillars does the world rest. On the laws og G-d, on worship; and on acts of loving kindness.

You ability to provide acts of loving kindness, such as smiles and compliments to help others you don't know have a nicer day is indeed a pillar of a better world. Thanks on their behalf for being such a good person.

E.

  • 7 votes
#20.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:04 AM EDT
lloyd-3730046

Piletre

A beautiful and meaningful set of thoughts and wonderful poem. I think that the world is a better place with you in it.

  • 6 votes
#20.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:09 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Lloyd: Agreed. Fr invite sent. Thanks for your visit. You are always most welcome here. E.

  • 7 votes
#20.4 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:18 AM EDT
Al-316

Lloyd, new faces are good, but friends are better, so I am joining Enoch in filling up your mail box with friend requests.

Thank you for dropping in here. Al

  • 7 votes
#20.5 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:29 AM EDT
lloyd-3730046

Enoch and Al

Thank you for the FR's. I am honored to accept.

  • 6 votes
#20.6 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
Piletre

lloyd-3730046, Al-316 and Enoch-2699399, Thank you all for the kind words.

This is a great topic.. it makes one stop and think, and ask themselves, not only about how we have conducted our lives, but what we done to make the world a better place.

lloyd-3730046, when reading your legacy thoughts, you reminded me of a quote, "Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it".

  • 5 votes
#20.7 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Piletre: Words of wisdom. Thanks for sharing.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 5 votes
#20.8 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:57 PM EDT
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Wizeguy

Without getting too sappy I can only hope to be remembered as the guy that most people liked. Running with the “crowd” in my early years gave me my street smarts. But is also gave me direction. By looking at the lives of others I made decisions that formed my life. Seeing them going down the wrong road made me strive to go down the right road by not following their example. Sure I went through the good times, bad times and hard times I am sure we all did but now as look back I feel things worked out fairly well. I have a great son & daughter-in-law and 2 most adorable granddaughters. My son is a Gunnery Sgt USMC & my daughter-in-law is an attorney. I recently reconnected with many of my old friends, people that like me turned it around and went down the straight and narrow. I traveled up to New York last May and we got together for a small reunion. When I asked about this one or that one most of the news was sad. Oh he drank himself to death, or she died of cancer. I can tell you it was disheartening to find out many of the people from my youth were gone. There is a song by Jackson Browne, called Running On Empty that pretty much illustrates my early life. “In sixty-nine I was twenty-one and I called the road my own….I don't know when that road turned onto the road I'm on”, pretty much sums it up. All in all I took the conventional road, married, child, divorced, moved on. I do know this when we took our little group picture someone said stand behind Frankie. I said if he trusts me behind him. Frankie turned around and said without hesitation if I trust anyone behind me it’s you Bobby.

My legacy? I want to be the guy you could always trust to have your back

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Reply#21 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:46 AM EDT
Al-316

Wizeguy, we all have those periods in our lives that when we look back, we are not really sure how we survived. It sounds like you sometimes pushed the envelope. But, obviously you were building strength and character which you later passed on to your family. It is a remarkable story and an excellent legacy. Especially Frankie's comment.

Thank you, my friend, for giving us a glimpse of how legacies develop. Al

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#21.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:45 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Wiseguy: No daylight between Al and me on your fine life story. You made wrong turns, but had the moral courage to reverse direction. The dividends are still paying off.

People can count on you because you know both sides of the street. They know you will understand when they need help reversing direction. They can relate to you. You have the street creds to help them, by having earned their trust through your good judgements in overcoming bad ones.

Great work, my good friend.

E.

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#21.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:09 AM EDT
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Vlad's dog

Since I was young, art has been my vision of a legacy. my work has always been about creating a message of connectiveness. We are all tied together in the greater scheme of things, each of us is but a tiny strand to a larger universal web.

I hope the legacy of my life and my work is to show the importance of following a dream down any road and making the best of what you find as you travel.

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Reply#22 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:48 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Dog: This is indeed a wise and powerful legacy you will leave. F.S.C. Northrup wrote about the undifferentiated aesthetic continuum of life. Alfred North Whitehead also included in his books the idea that we are all interconnected. The sense of wholeness we feel when we tap into that in some significant way validates us as persons.

Great post, my good friend. Indeed wise and thought provoking.

E.

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#22.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:13 AM EDT
Al-316

Vlad's Dog, your creativity is a lasting legacy of beauty and inspiration. I agree that we are all connected. The Ojibway express themselves with these words: Gakina Awiiya (We are all related).

Thank you for coming and sharing your thoughts. Al

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#22.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:15 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend and Treasured co-author Al. Great use of the Ojiwe quotation here. Right on target. Thumbs up.

E.

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#22.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:20 AM EDT
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lloyd-3730046

Enoch and AL-316

This is a wondrous article and elicits the best part of all who read it. I've read the above posts and am inspired by the courage and love expressed. Thank you all.

From Vlad

We are all tied together in the greater scheme of things, each of us is but a tiny strand to a larger universal web.

As a young man on the battlefield, I learned that people are all similar in their thoughts, hopes and ideals bound together in a common thread of humanity.

For my legacy, I would hope that the simple message I leave would be encompassed in two words:

Love and forgiveness for yourself and for the others that have crossed your path. Remember the commonality between all life.

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Reply#23 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
Al-316

Lloyd, your legacy of love and forgiveness could very well contain the two most important words in our language. With love and forgiveness as companions, happiness can not be far away.

A wonderful legacy, and incidentally, thank you for your service to our country. Al

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#23.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:36 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Lloyd: What Al said. E.

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#23.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:40 AM EDT
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leonahardware

Thank you for the invitation to participate. It may have been a long time before I found this article otherwise.

The legacy I would like to leave......This is a hard one. I would like my children to know that how they behave today is important, for the consequences come tomorrow. I want them to be able to live the lives they chose in a way that is pleasant for them and those around them.

Everyday I think of the struggles that young families have and the reasons for those struggles. I would like to do something that can help ease the struggles for these families. In this process (what it will look like is unknown to me) of helping these young families I will also be helping my children and their young families.

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Reply#24 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:39 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Leona: This is a wondrous legacy you will leave. Your children will know that actions do have consequences. Also that in the heritage they get from you, caring matters.

You will figure out how to best help those in need. All that is required is the desire. The process will follow.

Great work here. Please keep it up, for the good of us all.

E.

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#24.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:44 AM EDT
Al-316

Leona, being aware of consequences is a basic key to survival and happiness. This is a wonderful legacy to provide others.

I too have have considered how difficult growing up today is when compared to my day. It was much easier and a little less stressful. Raising a family today is so challenging many people seem to put it off until it is more convenient. Helping others with families is a beautiful legacy and blessing, too.

Thank you for sharing, my friend. Al

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#24.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
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Physicist-retired

Interesting question, Al and Enoch.

My professional legacy - the highlight of my career was the opportunity to work on the Hubble Telescope. The insights gained from that instrument have certainly added to our understanding of the universe. What more could a physicist ask for?

My community legacy - as a strong proponent of education, I have worked for years with a small non-profit to raise funds for disadvantaged children to attend Montessori preschools. To date, we have been able to provide over 600 children with this opportunity. Our first students are now in college. My hope is that this early advantage made a real difference in their lives.

I also fund the education of 6 children in developing countries like India, Kenya, the Philippines, and Peru.

My personal legacy - again, along the lines of education, I have ensured that all of my children received higher education, without having to incur the burden of massive student loans (I personally retired before mine were paid off). They will all have the opportunity to build financially secure lives for their own families.

I hope that I also instilled in them a deep sense of fairness, honesty, logic, a strong work ethic, a skeptical mind, the value of family, and a desire to help those who are in need.

And, of course, my 'final' legacy - my tombstone will read "It was a wonderful adventure."

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Reply#25 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Retired Physicist: A most profound statement of your legacy. One in which to be justly proud. You are indeed a role model for us. Educators make life improvement possible. Cheers!

FR invite sent. Enoch.

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#25.1 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:03 AM EDT
Al-316

Physicist-retired, your legacy humbles me. Your accomplishments and activities are not only varied, but span the universe. The principles which you hold dear are also numerous and varied. If I were to elevate one over another it would be unfair to the ones not chosen.

I am honored that you shared yourself with us today. Thank you my friend. Al

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#25.2 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:28 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Well said Al. I completely agree. E.

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#25.3 - Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:20 PM EDT
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