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Four Values of Repentance

Sun Oct 2, 2011 8:35 AM EDT
religion, judaism, universal, repentance, g-d, turkish-taffy
By Enoch-2699399
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Whatever we do or don't believe, repentance is something which we must all address many times in this life. We are not perfect. We will err. It is important for us to address what we do wrong. We must make as much as practically possible those we harm whole. 

The story of the Scroll of Jonah provides us with four ideas regarding repentance.

First, No one should begrudge G-d's love, care, and forgiveness to anyone else. This is true even if we don't much care for them.

Second, It is not possible to run away from G-d's presence. In the context of this article, that is important. We also cannot run away from the consequences of our own actions. We do need to repent. Both for those we harmed, and from the harm we do ourselves.

Third, G-d takes pity on all creatures. Can or should we do less? It starts with ourselves. We can learn to be accepting of our flaws, while still addressing them. We are not and never will be perfect. We are all perfectible. We can always improve.  

Finally, G-d is always ready and eager to accept our repentance. All that is holding things up is our not repenting. Time to get into an action mode here.

I have presented ideas from the Scroll of Jonah. Please feel free to present your original ideas, and quotations from such literature, devotional or otherwise, that moves you on this topic.               

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Enoch-2699399

Please remain on topic. We encourage you to share your ideas on repentance, from where ever the may emanate.

This is not an article about whether you think religion is a good idea, or Judaism is a good idea, or repentance is a good idea. Those all all other topics for other columns. You are encouraged to write you own column, if the spirit so moves yo to do this,

Address ideas, do not attack people.

No trolling, snarking, derailing, off topic and derogatory comments. They will be deleted for cause. I sent in my three box tops and a dollar, I have my article Moderator badge.

Otherwise, we welcome your visit, and your ideas.

We can all earn from and teach each other.

You get back the respect you give out.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 8:39 AM EDT
Mrs D-1475814

It took me quite a while thinking about this before I responded Enoch. When I was a child, I knew when I did wrong and felt bad immediately. I always hoped my parents wouldn't find out... but, they knew. :) Bless them! I was a very spirited child and caused my parents much grief in their life. I remember, after I had my first child, that I apologized to my parents for my actions and thoughts. They embraced me and said that no matter what I did, they loved me. Their reaction taught me a huge lesson in my life.

As an adult, I know when I have done wrong also. I repent to G-d through prayers for my actions and thoughts and KNOW I will get the same response as I did from my parents. It's a constant readjustment in life. The heaviness is released from my heart. I never intentually try to hurt someone nor do I try to judge someone. Judgement come from G-d. Not me. My most favorite sermon was from the leader of a Church I went to a long time ago. He stated to us that.... through all your judgements of people, you may be surprisedwho is standing next to you in Heaven. I believe that! There are certainly better writers that can express their thoughts better than I. I will look forward to reading everyone thoughts.

Thanks Enoch!

  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Mrs. D: What a wonderful way you have of expressing the values of repentance and forgiveness. I concur with each and every point you make. You make them so well. Thanks.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
Jim-789449

In John 13:6 – 10, Jesus gives us a perfect example of repentance, Peter needed his feet washed but not his whole body, Jesus shows us that we need to come before Him when we have sinned and get our “feet washed”, forgiveness for our sin, even believers as they walk through this world will get their “feet” dirty now and then is what Jesus was teaching us here.

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:53 AM EDT
Jim-789449

Mrs D-1475814

Nicely said, I have always thought of my heavenly Father like my earthly father, I can go to Him and climb up on His knee when I hurt or have done wrong and know that He will understand and forgive me.

It’s great to know His love knows no bounds, and like my earthly father, I may have to pay a price for my wrong doing, but forgiveness will be there.

  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jim: Forgiveness, isn't at a glorious gift? Thanks for sharing your keen insights.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch

  • 5 votes
#2.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:28 AM EDT
KElane

John 13:6-10 is an interesting event. And, one a Christian should always keep in mind for their dear brothers. The rest of the scripture goes as follows:

When, now, he had washed their feet and had put his outer garments on and laid himself down at the table again, he said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You address me, "Teacher," and "Lord", and you speak rightly, for I am such. Therefore, if I although Lord and Teacher, washed your feet you also ought to wash the feet of one another. For I set the pattern for you, that, just as I did to you, you should do also.

He goes on to speak how his followers should slave for one another. That if a brother was in need, that a Christian would open his hand in loving-kindness. See 1 John 3:17, 18. Christians are to minister to one another--support them; love them--serve them as Jesus did by figuratively washing their feet.

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
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Vlad's dog

I repent at least once a week. Even the small stuff needs a little help to get over. This is a good piece about peace of mind Enoch.

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Vlad's Dog: Inner peace cannot be underrated, or take for granted. In both of our full rich and complete traditions there are numerous passages about how G-d is always willing, and in fact looks forward to our repenting.

In Hebrew, we call the individual activity of repentance Cheshbon Ha Nefesh. An accounting of the soul. My CPA cannot cook the books for me here. That is something only I can do. The flip side of this is that peace of mind is such a precious commodity. It is worth a price above rubies.

Thanks for your visit, and your wisdom.

Due to this being my fall High Holy Day season, this and the next two weeks, as the week past will not leave me the time I would like to post to all the articles I vote up the Vine. Please know that I always vote yours up the Vine. Kindly keep them coming. They mean so much to so many, me included.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 11 votes
#3.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:28 PM EDT
Vlad's dog

well Enoch, you deliver so much with all your writing that I am usually hard pressed to add anything more at times. But let me tell you that your work is lasting and stays with me long after I have read it.

May your road be long and filled with light always.

You are a lantern of hope for us all.

  • 9 votes
#3.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Vlad's Dog: You just made my whole week. Many thanks.

Enoch.

  • 11 votes
#3.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
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Jackie-2759125

When I've done wrong I know it pretty much instantly because of the feeling I get in my chest and gut - an ache/change to my heartbeat, blush or "flash" of anger, tugging, sinking feeling in my stomach. I learned in AA it's important before bed to "take inventory" of any persons I've harmed and sincerely try to make amends if it's possible without hurting the other person further. As a Catholic I had confession and currently as a pagan I have a direct link to the "the powers that be" for talking out how to persue a resolution. I have a loving husband and family, writing and long walks/talks in nature for the process of making amends. Great article Enoch :-) Thank you.

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jackie: Thank you for a most enjoyable and enlightening post.

Part of the value of repentance is unburdening. In Biblical Hebrew the word for Repentance is "Teshuvah". But it is never translated as repentance. The root stem of the verb for teshuvah is shav. It means, literally to turn away.

We see repentace as turning our souls, stained with sin from the corrupting influences of society. We wish to return our souls at the end of life in the same pure pristine state in which they were given to us on loan by G-d.

Confession, taking inventory, accounting of the soul, turning away from sin, turning back toward purity, links to a greater force than us are all valuable tools indeed in this process.

A matrix of support from family, friends, etc. is also a great gift.

Peace and Blessings, my good friend.

  • 11 votes
#4.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
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Hiram-1381633

The Book of Jonah is one of my favorites and your conclusions as always are right on. Often as with Jonah it is our own stubbornness and pride that keeps from repentance. Repentance is an act of humility and submission. These are things that are not easily come by. Yet they are worth pursuing and through them we can gain strength in ways we have only imagined. When it comes to the life of a Christian a wise pastor once said "You have to go down to go up". Thank you for sharing your insight.

Blessings

H

  • 11 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 6:06 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Hiram: Thanks to you for sharing the wisdom of your tradition, as only you can exposit it.

Superlative. Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 10 votes
#5.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 7:38 PM EDT
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tzia62

Pride can get in the way of asking for fforgiveness, and sometimes we are so filled with pride we forget that we are NOT perfect, we are only human. Saying "I'm sorry" when yo know you have done something wrong or hurt someones feelings will set you free, and you will be a better person for it.

  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 8:02 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Tzia: The truth can be liberating. Agreed. Thanks. Enoch.

  • 9 votes
#6.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT
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js-445607

Great article and great responses Enoch. Just the other night I was thinking about how blessed I am to be a human. I have an edge by choosing this path of life in my opinion. Whether there is a God or not I respect all living on this planet no matter where they've come from or where they have been. If God created us we are all equal, no exceptions. I looked down at my darling and well loved Tucker the Cat and thought, there is no difference between us as we just have different rolls to play in life. I think both of us have done a pretty good job. I endeavor to be the best I can be all of the time. I know when I've done something that I should have not done and do apologize. I find that taking responsibility for my life and doing the right thing is an honor bestowed upon me and I'll take full advantage of this gift. It is a joy to know what is right and what is wrong and know enough to tell the difference.

  • 9 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:07 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

To know how to tell the difference. That says it all. Great post. Thanks. Enoch.

  • 10 votes
#7.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:41 PM EDT
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etva

Thanks for the thought provoking article, Enoch.

The root stem of the verb for teshuvah is shav. It means, literally to turn away.

I've never been fond of the word "repent," which always makes me think of religious fervor, but I do like this definition; sort of chosing to follow a more enlightened path -- one of forgiveness and acceptance, both being key to wholeness, I think.

  • 9 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

I do too. Thanks. Enoch.

  • 9 votes
#8.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
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Neron Kesar

Taking your advice would make it unnecessary for us to resort to courts of law.

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

It couldn't hurt. Smiles. Thanks for the keen observation. Enoch.

  • 8 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
KElane

What's interesting about the book of Jonah is we learn of God's tender compassion. The City of Nineveh was a horrible, cruel place. Its nickname was 'city of bloodshed'. Poor Jonah, though, knew Jehovah's kindness. God would forgive if a person had the right heart condition and humbly came before God, which, much to Jonah's embarassment, the city did--right along with the king. You have to love his character when he told God "Ah now, O Jehovah, was not this an affair of mine, while I happened to be on my own ground? That is why I went ahead and ran away to Tarshish; for I knew that you are a God gracious and merciful, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness, and feeling regret over the calamity." Jonah was so upset with God that he actually asked that God "take away, please, my soul from me, for my dying is better than my being alive." Jonah 4:1-3

How encouraging this is for us today--that no matter our crimes, we can be forgiven. And, how nice it is that God presented his own Son as payment for our own.

Jesus gave us the equation to everlasting life when he said, "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God and the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." John 17:3.

Jonah is one of my favorite books.

  • 7 votes
Reply#11 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear KElane: Thanks for your post, and you visit. You are most welcome in my articles always.

FR invite sent.

Peace and Blessings.

Enoch

  • 8 votes
#11.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:58 PM EDT
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Dare To Hope

Dear Friend Enoch...

All great comments above, the only thing I will add is that we think we have forever to repent, ask forgiveness, and grant forgiveness. We can go a life time holding some kind of grudge and one day there's not another chance to repent, ask, or grant forgiveness. This is something that needs to be ongoing, mend your bridges while you can, give your flowers to the living. Don't wait till it's too late, sometimes there's not another chance.

  • 9 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 9:55 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Words of profound wisdom indeed. Thanks for sharing them. Peace and Blessings.

Enoch.

  • 9 votes
#12.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
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Leafydebater

I'm not religious, but this was a great article. Voted up.

  • 9 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:07 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Leafydebaster: You don't need to be. Part of humanity is our moral frailness. We all have to cope with that. All of us.

Thanks for the kindness of your review. You are always welcome here. Always.

  • 5 votes
#13.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:31 AM EDT
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rochart

Enoch, always timely you are.

When I am aware that I have been in the wrong or it is brought to my attention that I was wrong I will as soon as possible admit to that and make amends.

There is another aspect of repenting and amends that I run into from time to time. This is where another person believes that I have wronged them. After sincere reflection and examination I find that I have not wronged them but they still believe that I have. For whatever reason the other person cannot see that I did not impose any harm to them.

I have found that in many of those instances that if I can give a sincere apology and amend which relieves their distress but does not cause me distress or to be untrue to myself.

I may have one or two of those to work on presently.

  • 9 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
KElane

Rochart~It's always good to fess up when you are wrong. But what if you accidentally/inadvertently wronged someone? Jesus always advocated peace whether we were the wrong doer or even if we were innocent. A simply "I'm sorry" relieves a lot of pain. Even if through no fault of our own, Jesus still wanted us to be leaders in peace. Notice what he says at Matthew 5:23, 24:

If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and you there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar and go away; first make your peace with your brother, and then, when you have come back, offer up your gift.

Jesus left the lead of peace-making to each person. You can always say you are sorry for their distress and hurt feelings. Afterall, true Christians are marked by love that they have for one another.--John 13:34 See also Romans 12:17-21.

The best way to be?--'kind to one another'. And to continue putting up with one another. Ephesians 4:1, 2.

It's great that you look to give an apology....

  • 6 votes
#14.1 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:28 PM EDT
rochart

KElane,

I understand this:

But what if you accidentally/inadvertently wronged someone?

and included it in my recognition of my wrong doing intentional or not.

We can and often do "bother" someone without ever intending to do so. Some times this may be as a result of different values or our life view. An example would be that: I have substantially different views on how a potential business should be run than a potential co-director of the business. The other party takes my disagreement personal. I am not discounting the person or disrespecting them. I am however in strong disagreement with their ideas. This is a real and current issue for me. I have not criticized the person personally but I have criticized their ideas on the business. The problem is that they cannot separate the person and the ideas.

I reflect daily on my interactions with others and do not miss many issues. Acknowledging the opportunities is the challenge for all of us.

It's great that you look to give an apology....

Actually, I do not...but the fact of the matter is and apology costs me nothing and gives my and the other person much.

  • 8 votes
#14.2 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT
KElane

I guess thats what makes it hard~that is if you simply disagree and the other person takes it personal. It's unfortunate that happens. That's where the scripture in Ephesians comes in--Continuing to put up with one another~in love. [And you hope they'll do the same ;0-)]

Best to you.

  • 8 votes
#14.3 - Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:59 PM EDT
rochart

To put it more simply...let's say I feel that I am correct and that my wife feels that she is correct. Anyone who has been married knows that this is a no win situation. For me to apologizes and say I was mistaken or wrong solves many issues whatever the "one" may have been.

[And you hope they'll do the same ;0-)]

I have learned that I can't worry about that, my effort would not be sincere if I did.

  • 8 votes
#14.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 12:07 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Rochart: Good plan. Superb thoughts.

  • 7 votes
#14.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:33 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend KElane: We are most indebted to you for sharing the wisdom and insights of your full rich tradition. You are most welcome, and encouraged to visit and post in any of my and our threads.

Gratefully, Enoch.

  • 6 votes
#14.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
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Al-316

Enoch, my friend, it is an interesting subject you raise.

You mention begrudging G-d for what He might do for someone else and not you. I have no doubt that G-d loves each of us with equal passion. I have also observed that we are all different, with different needs and challenges. And when you realize that we all children of G-d, like brothers and sisters, there is really no reason for anyone to feel short changed when questioning the bounty of G-d. Looking back at my own life, those times when I thought I was enduring an unnecessary hardship or a tragedy, I found that what followed was of even greater benefit to me than what I had lost. Now, in my senior years, I am actually pleased when I see others experience G-d's blessings. That way I don't feel so guilty for being the recipient of so many blessing. I know this might sound corny, but it is true.

I think repentence is one of biggest short comings. I think that I am guilty of not asking forgiveness like I should.

  • 8 votes
Reply#15 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:26 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: I mentioned begrudging as it us the key point in the Scroll of Jonah. Obviously, you got the key point. I am not surprised. You are a very wise and caring man.

Part of repentance is seeking forgiveness. Its all part of an interconnected process.

Peace and Blessing, Enoch.

  • 7 votes
#15.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:40 AM EDT
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mrsrachelm

Nice article, Enoch.

A lot of people have a hard time with repentance. Even the word can conjure up negative connotations. Most people try to avoid sincere heart felt repentance to those they've wronged because it's darned right scary. Why? Well, I'll tell you! :P

In order for a person to repent of a wrong done to another, they first have to humble themselves. Most people will immediately equate "humble" with "humility" which is absolutely correct. BUT...then their ego and pride go one step further and equate humility with humiliation. There's this internal struggle to avoid putting oneself in the place of being vulnerable and you have to be vulnerable in order to be humble and you have to be humble in order to be able to authentically repent.

It's also fairly common for people to repent of wrongdoing to someone with a disclaimer attached, lol. For example, "I'm sorry I said such and such to you BUT you did this and that which got me angry so I said those things to you." That apology and repentance left a wee bit to be desired, lol. If you're going to admit you were wrong, then do it without an escape clause. Be bold and fearless and just say "I'm sorry I said such and such. It was wrong of me." Now -that- is much more sincere because you're not making excuses for your bad behavior.

I am a big believer in owning up to it when you've stepped out of line and you know it. A lot of people would just "let sleeping dogs lay" but I think the person I've wronged deserves an apology even if it makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't make excuses for my wrong behavior because there are none, in my opinion.

I am not responsible for what anyone else says or does but I am completely responsible for what I do. I say this because I have been given free will by my Creator and I am utterly responsible for how I use it.

Sometimes verbally acknowledging my fault to someone instead of keeping it locked up inside is very uplifting. I think this is why Catholics see so much value in the Sacrament of Confession. Sometimes you just have to speak it out loud and get it out in the open so it no longer hides in the shadows of your spirit whispering condemnation. I don't care if it's a spouse, close friend, your pastor, a parent or whatever....sometimes you just have to spill the beans to someone...lance the boil as it were...so you can heal and move forward.

As an aside, I've always wondered why some people spell the word "God" like this: G-d ? I'm not trying to derail. I'm just curious why the word isn't typed out and never had the courage to ask before. LOL

  • 9 votes
Reply#16 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:43 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear MrsRachelm: FR invite sent. I find great wisdom in your keen observations. Often in life, our greatest strength is to admit our weakness. Life can be ironic. Still, repentance is in part, less about us, and more about making whole those we harmed, to the extant that is practically possible.

I and those in my tradition do not spell out the word G-d, as one of the Ten Commandments is not to take the Name of the L-rd our G-d in vain. Other traditions opine differently. The glorious thing about Scripture is that it meas so much to so many, as there is something in it for everyone, whatever they believe, and however they interpret it.

You are most welcome in my and our threads, always. I encourage you to visit, as time permits. We will all be the better off for learning from you.

You may want to check out an article our good friend Al-316 and I recently wrote about Legacy. It is in his and my column. Al is indeed a very wise and human man.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 7 votes
#16.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
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Remote Viewer

Your article is uplifting and inspiring, Enoch. A wonderful way to start my day. Thank you.

  • 7 votes
Reply#17 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Your visits always make my day complete. Thanks for visiting. Enoch.

  • 7 votes
#17.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
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ambivalent

If we pray we need to confess. There should not be any approaches to the Throne of Grace without being clean. Repentence is the open door to a healthy spirit. If you cannot think of something to confess, ask God to search you and wipe out the darkness that might be hiding - He sees everything, especially those things we falsely justify within ourselves. The greatest thing for me when I have been harmed in some way by another is to ask to be removed of that same fault that may lie in me. This is the practice of spiritual cleanliness and of humility. Where else to do we start but with ourselves?

  • 8 votes
Reply#18 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:50 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

I agree, and very well put. We must approach G-d with cleanliness and purity. In my tradition, in both Talmud Bavliand Talmud Yerushalmi (Biblical commentaries) there is the principle of "Da'ah lifnay me atah omed". "Know before whom you stand:.

As ever, we are always graced by your presence, and indebted to your for your wisdom.

Peace and Blessing, Enoch.

  • 7 votes
#18.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
ambivalent

At times, in the comfort of our faith, we forget His power and His sanctity, compared with our weaknesses and worldiness.

  • 7 votes
#18.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
ambivalent

Peace and blessings to you as well Enoch.

  • 6 votes
#18.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 3:33 PM EDT
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Kavika

Enoch my friend, I see it as taking responsibility for your actions, you own them, you are responsible for them and for their consequences. To err is human, not to take responsibility for them is less then honorable. Two of the most difficult words to say in any language are ''I'm sorry''.

As always Enoch a very good article.

Waanakiwin niijii

  • 7 votes
Reply#19 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Kavika: Thanks for the visit, and the wisdom from your full noble tradition.

Some time we need to go out to Jay's Diner for a cup of that beige warm, coffee like fluid. May of 2012, the 5,000 year cycle predicted by the Mayans fore tells that they will actually wash out the coffee pots. That is proof positive the world may be coming to an end.

Peace and Blessings. E.

  • 6 votes
#19.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:09 PM EDT
Kavika

LOL Enoch..As the Ojibwe say ''black water medicine'' for coffee, though I doubt that's Jay's coffee can qualify as medicine...

Waanakiwin niijii

  • 6 votes
#19.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
rochart

Perhaps my coffee would meet the standard.

  • 5 votes
#19.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:46 PM EDT
Kavika

rochart, without a doubt your coffe would be ''100% Kona Coffee'' the best in the world.

  • 5 votes
#19.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:26 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Rochart: Kavika and I would gladly patronize any find dining establishment which served 100% Kona coffee. If Jays served it, we would go there too.

  • 5 votes
#19.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:51 AM EDT
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SuperSaiyan

So true, especially in this day and age.

Thanks for the thoughtful article, Enoch-2699399

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Reply#20 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend SS: Thanks for the visit, and for the compliment. I look forward to our publishing our first joint article next week. It is an honor for me to have you as a writing partner.

Enoch.

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#20.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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Wm. Sanders

A good and thought provoking article Enoch, if I say so myself.

I use the preventative maintenance method in regard to repentance...I use the wisdom the Supreme Being gave me and try to do what's right, morally and ethically. I'm fortunate that I have had a huge extended family, and by extension, the military, to keep me on the straight and narrow.

But like everyone else, I'm not perfect, and growing up, I've made my share of mistakes. And again, I've had the wellspring of wisdom, such as the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. Whether you are Christian or not, a lot of Christ's teachings cover repentance and forgiveness...and I'm sure a learned man like yourself knows more than I ever will. There are some things I'll never forgive or repent, but they are few and very far between. In the end, I always rely on the words of the Lord's Prayer...pray for forgiveness for my transgressions as I would and should forgive others.

All good religions have the elements of grace and mercy at their heart. Without those qualities of compassion, we would be reduced to endless blood feuds, and would return to the Dark Ages. It is telling that some of the strongest characters of our times have had in their hearts the power to both admit their shortcomings and to forgive...it is those great souls for whom time and history will venerate.

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Reply#21 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:06 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend William Sanders: Great acumen in your post. Many thanks for sharing it.

We live in a world of irony. It is those leaders who have the moral courage to admit inevitable mistakes that earn our respect. Those who take the "my way or the highway" it is right because I said so" who ultimately go down in flames, fueled by arrogance and false pride.

The first step on progress is to admit error. We all err. Until we accept responsibility for our actions, correct them and make whole those we hurt, progress cannot proceed.

As ever, we are graced with your presence. Please do return to future threads. There is much tot be learned from your perspective.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

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#21.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:59 AM EDT
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Arch-Man

Yes repentance is a very good and key point in walking with G-d. He never changes and He is always in the light and no darkness is in Him. So what I have been learning is that when I can't seem to make progress, it's not G-d, but I who need to set aside my pride and admit to Him I came up short in obeying His laws; so thank G-d for Psalm 51. I like to thank G-d for making a way out and a way back to Him.

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Reply#22 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Arch Man: Again, you grace us with your towering wisdom. In Hebrew, one of the many names which refer to G-d is Ain Sof. He who is without beginning or end. G-d is the one constant, among all the temporal variable in our lives. If a tree sinks its roots deep enough, no hurricane or tornado force wind can ever blow it over.

Thank G-d indeed for Psalm 51. For all Scripture, Most of all, for His being a source of inspiration to us, to help us through the tough times, and better to enjoy the good times. Life gives us both. The purest form of religion is religion out of gratitude.

The easy thing is to complain to G-d about what we do not have. Why did we not win the lottery? If we win, why is so much going to taxes? Often in life, the easy route is not the best. If whatever blessings we get leave us craving more, and complaining to G-d when we do not get them, we will surely not be happy people.

If there is a problem, look to G-d for the strength within us to address and resolve it. If good things happen, look to G-d for the wisdom to know how best to use this. It may take some soul searching, but the answers are within us. We just need to get them out. G-d can point us in the right direction to live life as well as possible, given our individual circumstances. That may not sound like a lot, but upon reflection, it is.

Peace and Blessings to you and yours. Enoch.

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Reply#23 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:10 AM EDT
Holly-348328

I repent often; usually daily as I am a Daughter of the King and daily prayer is part of our office. You can mend your fences with people, because they hear you, speak the same language and listen. How do you know you've conveyed repentance on behalf of an animal?

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Reply#24 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Holly? I agree. We can mend our fences with people. Not sure I understood your meaning when you wrote, "How do you know you've conveyed repentance on behalf of an animal?" Can you please clarify? The question intrigues.

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#24.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
Holly-348328

I didn't do the right thing by one of my cats that I owned. I allowed him to get scared off by a 'jerk' individual who was just trying to be funny. I looked for him but couldn't find him. Do you suppose the fence is mended because I prayed for him?

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#24.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Thanks for clarifying the interrogative. All you can do in this case, if you have access to the animal now? If so, just continue to bathe it in love and care. Animals understand who is on their side just as we humans do.

If not, all you can do in the future with pets is not to repeat past mistakes. We all make them. The best among us learn from them, and don't repeat them.

I am sorry for the pain this caused you. If it is any consolation,. the only reason why you feel discomfort about it is that you loved and cared fore the animal. You do have a pure clean and sensitive soul. I respect you for it.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

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#24.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:43 PM EDT
Holly-348328

Thanks, Enoch. I believe he understood, as much as a cat is capable, of how much I loved him.

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#24.4 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT
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ambivalent

Holly - We cannot rewrite our personal histories, but we can forgive ourselves. Cats are smart, can take care of themselves, and prayers of protection cannot hurt. :)

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Reply#25 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:41 PM EDT
Enoch-2699399

Great answer. Thanks for caring and wanting to help. E.

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#25.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
Holly-348328

Thanks, ambivalent.

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#25.2 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT
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