Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Enoch-2699399's column >>

ENOCH-2699399

Home Page
Lives well by G-d's Laws
Articles Posted: 82  Links Seeded: 2
Member Since: 11/2010  Last Seen: 5/16/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

Losing A Sixteen Year Old - Four Chaplaincy Case Studies

Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:27 AM EST
religion, coping, chaplaincy, moving-forward
By Enoch-2699399
Advertise | AdChoices

A family of four was recently referred to me by a Chaplain colleague for temporary Pastoral care. Parents and two sisters lost their sixteen year old male family member suddenly. It is one family, but these are really four individual cases. The point of this article it to convey the reality of what it means to lose someone so young. To address their needs on an interdisciplinary basis.

The departed had not even begun to live his life. Sixteen is just too soon these days to leave this temporal domain.

The youngest sister doesn't know yet what death is, and its implications. Please see my Vine article, "Explaining Death to a Five Year Old - An Issue in Chaplaincy". A custom tailored approach based on this is being used. It is individualized for her personality, age, ability to comprehend and soothing effects. It is devised and being implemented. 

The older sister has some of the same dangerous habits as her late brother. Referral for assistance in detoxification, behavior modification, and rehabilitation are being made. Therapy for guilt is also in order. That too is being addressed.

The husband advised that since he lost his only son, he hasn't been with his wife, as married couples do. It is not only a matter of not being in the mood. There are performance issues. Once medical tests were done to rule out organic causes, therapy was arranged to deal with the emotional issues; and other medical help for stress. Both are part of the problem. Addressing both will lead to a solution. This is not uncommon. It generally goes away over time. How long is sufficient time? That varies with every case.

The mother has the most challenges here. She endured several strokes years back. For years she has been in therapy for clinical depression. This loss hasn't helped. It has made things markedly worse. The same rage all in the family feel about the unfairness of this very untimely loss has been expressed by her to her family. They are going through enough as it is. This is hard for them to take.

The worst case scenario for a parent is to out live a child. This was the parents only son, and the only brother to the sisters.

In addition to everyone going for individual counseling and therapy, they are also in support groups of people who sustained similar losses. All of this helps. They are all going through the different stages of grieving that all of us do in such situations. Each on their own schedule, all in their own unique way.  

The issue of clinical depression will not go away rapidly if at all. This too is not unknown. The deep depression did not resolve before this happened to the Mother. Medically supervised chemical intervention along with therapy, counseling and group support are most of what is helping here. Physical activity which allows for the the expression of rage and is an outlet for pent up emotions is a part of the long journey back. It also frees the family from lashing out by the mother at them.  

With the family as a whole, with individual members, and all possible combinations thereof we sit together and read Psalms, and other favored Scriptural and literary passages. Anything that soothes, comforts, provides meaning, and calms.

A sense of inner peace per person  and inter-family is also a large part of the difficult journey back to a normal life routine. There are things that affect us greatly. We have no control over them. When they occur they leave huge gaping voids in our lives. Spaces are there which can never completely be refilled. The sooner we can fill them in, and learn behaviors that help us to cope with loss, the sooner we can return to life as much as we knew it before tragedy. Here too a multi-disciplinary approach yields best results.

Part of pastoral care is to be a gateway to plan and secure such professional services as are needed in concert with those best specialized in providing them. Another is to tend to spiritual needs through prayer, ritual, and such other tools as help people cope with enormous loss and life changing events. Finally, working within the world view and heritage of the family, on a group and individual basis. Find out what works for them, individually and collectively and communicate it. Assist them in dealing with it, and how they can apply it when you are not around.

As with any professional activity the goal is to make yourself unnecessary. To build up their body of knowledge and skills so they don't need you to address what they must. The sooner they reach that stage of independence, the sooner they can get on with their lives.

Time will hang heavy. Most of that is up front. It never really goes away. The same time, empty time that is so problematic early on is a valuable tool the farther one gets from such traumatic events. It is imperative that you help those in need to make time their friend. Time is either a great ally, or a stunningly terrible adversary.

Pastoral care is very intensive up front. Incrementally, a Chaplain must make themselves less necessary. Gradually the Pastor must withdraw from a case and move on to the next one. Not prematurely, but not belatedly.

So many cases. So much need. So few resources.

We get through these things together. As it is written in Hebrew, "Henei mah tov, u'mah nayim, shevit achim gam yachad".

"Behold, how good and how nice it is to sit together as brothers".

How good and nice indeed.

Peace, blessings and fellowship when most you need it, Enoch.            

                                                

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Back To Top | Front Page

Published to:

  • Enoch-2699399's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Chaplain's Corner, Notes of Thought, The Coffee Club
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (76)
Enoch-2699399

This is an article about common themes people have when in need of pastoral care.

This article is not a referendum on any one or all religion.

It is not a place to debate or debase what people need. It is not a venue to trivialize their world view at a time of great vulnerability.

Trolling, derailing, snarking. attacking people or what they hold dear at times of such raw emotion is inappropriate. Such comments shall be deleted for cause.

This is a place to share such experiences and helpful ideas as are within your knowledge, for the greater good.

We all have to deal with loss in this life. That is a regreattable part of living. When life culminates, it is for those left behind that the real tears are shed.

Such ideas as bring comfort to those in need will be greatly and warmly welcomed.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 AM EST
YaddaYadda

Enoch, please continue writing about what you do. I really gain quite a bit from your knowledge and wisdom.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:23 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Yadda Yadda: Thank you for the support and encouragement.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST
Reply
Arkansas Gloria

Hmmmm- no discussion. You know, Enoch, I think, that I buried my first daughter, when she was 19.

Memories. Hmmm.

Do not stray too far from any of those involved, for as you know there are definite stages to grief, including extreme anger. Anger at G_d may remain unexpressed. Anger everywhere, confusion.

Keep a close eye on them all, and plenty of chances to talk..

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:02 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Arkansas Gloria: I am most distressed to hear of your own personal travails on this topic.

There is understandable anger at the Divine. You may wish to read the Vine article I wrote entitled, "Angry with G-d - Chaplaincy Case Study". It may be of help.

I am indebted to you for the wisdom, and valuable information shared here. Thanks.

Peace and blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:22 AM EST
Al-316

((((Gloria))))

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: I second that emotion. E.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST
Reply
Arkansas Gloria

I am no longer angry, it just was a very pronounced emotion at the time. Along with the wish, (after awhile) to no longer live. That emotion took nearly two years to come out, as I had another daughter to care for, and tried to get on with life. The pain of losing a child comes out VERY slowly- in tiny pieces at a time. I think it is the only way we deal with such a massive emotional impact on our lives.

That's why I kinda said- don't stray too far, too soon...

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:30 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Agreed. It is perceptive of you. We allow ourselves only what we can handle, and still be able to be there for those in need of us.

Peace and blessings. Enoch.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:51 AM EST
Reply
Jonathan-1917156

I lost my fiance to a drunk driver when she was 24, and because I was severely injured in that same accident, I never even got to say goodbye to her, which has always given me a sense of loss. I am not sure if I would have made it emotionally though if it wasn't for her family who still to this day treat me like a family member.

What I often wonder, because I, through volunteer work, have only dealt with loss through palliative means, (long term) is what is the difference between the situation (in general) with regards to these emotional problems when the family member is lost suddenly or through a longer process. I personally used to do volunteer work with terminal cancer patients and while that did help me a lot (mostly because I have had cancer several times and am genetically predisposed to getting it as are a lot of my genetic family), it really didn't help me with my own personal loss, because it really wasn't the same.

(you also can't use one example to illustrate something as well, because people all deal with things differently, but when we look at things from groups, patterns can sometimes be determined).

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:48 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jonathan: We do indeed react in our own unique ways. We are all member of the same family of humanity. That is a part of what makes difficult times less so. They are still tough. Just knowing that we are not alone in this, and that we can learn from and draw on collective experience in and of itself helps.

One can drive rather a large fleet of Mack trucks through the differences between sudden and slow loss. At least over time, we can accept a little but every day what we will lose. With slow loss, there is also guilt. Because we see the one losing their life suffering. And we suffer watching. At times, we just want it all to be over. We know that is best. Yet when the loss occurs, we feel guilty for our emotions and understandings. We need to be reassured that we caused nothing. And that we were not wrong in wanting everyone's pain to end, and the good memories to begin.

With sudden loss, one day they are with us, the next gone. It is just that swift. Shock is inevitable. We had no time to prepare. As Arkansas Gloria correctly observed, we time release our emotions in such situations. That gives us a way to control how much we can handle at any one time.

In both cases, we never really get over the loss. But with the passage of time, we can learn to keep alive the memory and values of the departed by being for others what they were for us.

No more fitting tribute to anyone than that.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 6 votes
#4.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST
Reply
tzia62

This is such a delicate subject when talking to someone who has just lost a loved one. Everyone deals with death differently, and requires their own space and time to get over the initial blow of the loss. All we can do as fellow human beings, is to be there for the bereaved when they need us.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Tzia: Well said. To be there when and as they need us. E.

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST
Reply
Jackie-2759125

It's interesting to read here your approach, from your profession, on how to help a family work through something this painful. I like what you mention about one of the goals being to become unnecessary in the process at some point. Recovery is more effective and lasting I think with this kind of approach. Helping people to help themselves. A lot of times people just don't know where to begin and they just need to be put in a healthy direction. Thanks for sharing this with us. It gave me insight.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST
Susanaree

Jackie - I agree with you about one of the goals being to become unnecessary.

As a bereaved parent myself, I understand that at some point you need to stand and face your new life on your own two feet. My little boy died over 25 years ago, and I still walk my path with a limp from time to time, but an essential goal is simply to walk again.

Enoch - again your insight and compassion shine. Thanks.

  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:50 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Jackie: The shock of it all disorients a person. As time passes, things do get back to normal. A road map only points you in the right direction It is up to the people involved to operate their automobile based on street conditions.

Its important to be there as a roadmap at the beginning of the trip. One should not disappear until they have a sense of how to proceed. It is also good to be there as a reference resource along their journey, when and as needed.

Thanks for your insightful comments.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:08 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Good way to put it- Jackie: a limp now and then. Yes, a sometimes limp happens, as it is a long road.

It is also good to be there as a reference resource along their journey, when and as needed.

Don't count on the suffering individual to tell you it is needed now...(on down the road)- just hang around a little, and invite yourself in. Sudden death of a child takes years many times to sort through the field of weeds...

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

True.

  • 4 votes
#6.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM EST
Katheryn Brandy

Susanaree - What a wonderful way to phrase it. That's exactly how it feels.

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:35 PM EST
Reply
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Susanaree: You are an inspiration to us all. Picking up the pieces in a case such as yours takes enormous courage. It is the right thing to do. It is also very difficult. I salute you.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:10 PM EST
etva

Thanks for the article, Enoch, and for being there when others need you.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:32 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Least I can do. Hugs. E.

  • 4 votes
#8.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:35 PM EST
Reply
Grisham

Another great article, Enoch. Your approach and caring to these issues is something we can all learn from - believer and non-believer alike. Keep up the excellent work, my friend.

  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Grish: Thanks. E.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST
Reply
screminmimi

The pain and sadness is eternal. The tools to cope from unexpected sources. Recognize the benevolent ones and try to have the strength to turn away from the ones that drag you deeper into the abyss.

Bless you, Enoch, for the kindness you extend to others.

  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mimi: We are all in this together.

Peace and Blessings. E.

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:34 PM EST
Reply
ambivalent

The worst case scenario for a parent is to out live a child

I will speak here frankly and honestly as only a mother who has lost a teen-aged son can do. Your above sentence needs some very important revision, or perhaps a very important extension:

The worst case scenario for a parent is to out live a child, and not learn to move on.

This subject is as complex as there are individual people who suffer the agonies of such a tragedy.

First, each child and the parents need to address any "dark" parts of that deceased child they feel existed. Second, they need to "close the circle", meaning they must stick together, share thoughts and feelings, come closer to one another to close the gap in the broken circle, like a broken chain. No one should shut anyone out, it hampers healing; affirmation of one anothers feelings is tantamount to getting well. For my family, we learned to listen without comment, as God does, and then only words of love and encouragement. Silence will not do here. Listen without comment except for words of love. That is all there is we can do for one another, that is how we find out about one another's inner feelings, that is how we show no judgements, just affirmation and love.

May God bless this family with the gift of His healing hand, the understanding of His heart, and the laughter in which He delights. Amen

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Ambivalent. Superlative commentary. I am grateful for your sharing it.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:49 PM EST
ambivalent

You are welcome, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:05 PM EST
Reply
Spikegary

Hi Enoch,

Your article above brings back memories (not great memories). 6 years ago this month, my younger brother lost his oldest (step) son. Almost 18 and ready to break out into his life-he had already been elected Captain of his Varsity Lacrosse team. He was sick and stayed home form school, wanted to go to a party that night, but my brother said no, his wife overruled him and allowed him to go. On the way home after drinking he got into a game of hopscotch with a kid in another car that cut him off and put him into a phone pole. He did not survive.

My brother and his family not only have stayed together, but have survived, much thanks to the amazing support in his community. There is an eternal sadness, but it does not stop them from living. I think that is a sign of how strong people can be.

When I look back (they lived in Ohio) I still feel anger at the wasted life. I'm not sure how they survived this tragedy, but they have. Thye lived in Western Ohio at the time, now outside Indianapolis.

Again, thank you. I talked with Scar_tissue and she said you might be visiting soon and we are also planning a mini-vinemeet in September. I hope to see you at either or both, my friend...you can bring Al, too.

  • 2 votes
Reply#12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend SpikeGary: I would like to make the September Vine Meet. As the dates approach, I do need to check my calendar. Whether or not I can make that, we are close enough that sometime perhaps we can meet in Buffalo or vicinity for lunch. I am chatting with Scar Tissue to set this up. At least the three of us, maybe more.

I am so sorry for the untimely loss of your nephew. He was too soon taken. It is a testament to the resilience of your brother and his family, and the love that stood a great test that they are still together and persevere. Kudos.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:07 PM EST
Arkansas Gloria

I want to go to Buffalo, Too!

  • 2 votes
#12.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Come join us. My understanding is that all Viners are welcome.

Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#12.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:46 PM EST
Spikegary

All Viners are welcome-I like people with diverse opinions-make life exciting and challenging. Ark. Gloria, you are afriend already, you are, of course, welcome. If you come for the vinemeet, there are brand new hotels close by that are not hyper expensive (Holiday Inn Express, Motel 6). As we draw closer and I get a handle on the 'Who', I'll start putting out feelers for hotel space and prices and the like. But, I'm in Niagara Falls area

Enoch, Always good going to one of your articles. I can feel the peace and tranquility that you generate and I always feel better and that I have learned something new when I leave. I look forward to meeting you in person!

  • 2 votes
#12.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:43 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Spikegary: I too look forward to our first meeting. I know it will be great.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

P.S. The first lunch I had with a Viner was with Neale Osbourne. Mostly, we sat around telling jokes. E.

  • 2 votes
#12.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST
Spikegary

If you've followed my jokes blog, my friend, you know that my life is full of humor (revision 3 is active on the series of 'So, You Think You're Funny?' here on Newsvine). I maintain that a life without humor is not a life worth living.

I had heard Neale is semi-local. If you have the opportunity, please let him know about the proposed festivities in September.

  • 2 votes
#12.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Spikegary: The deed is dood. Will email you about lunch with Scar Tissue next week. Is Pane's Italian restaurant good?

Vlad's Dog in Pittsburgh is also interested in this fall.

I read your columns. That is why I bring up humor. You have the good ones. Besides, a world without jokes isn't funny!

Enoch, schuffling off to Buffalo.

  • 2 votes
#12.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST
Spikegary

Excellent, Enoch! Vlad's Dog is always welcome. Panes? Not sure how good, they have been around for a while-worst comes to worst, there's a Little Ceasar's a block away and they make crazy bread that's excellent! What day/time? I have some stuff going on next week, but I'll elbow in some time......

Thanks on the hunor blog-that's a one liner Etva should snag for her article!

  • 2 votes
#12.8 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:56 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

All Etva's. Will be in touch, as soon as I hear from Scar Tissue. I have emails in. Her computer is on and off. Not sure if they got through. Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#12.9 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST
Reply
Mrs D-1475814

You always bring excellence in your articles dear friend Enoch. You give great comfort to people who have a heavy heart. You are very much appreciated and I know that I have learned much from you. (((((Enoch♥))))))

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:25 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Mrs. D: We learn from and teach each other. We are all in this life together.

When we work together in love, respect and harmony, this brings a smile to the Face Divine.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:09 PM EST
Reply
TERESA OLEARY

How do you deal with the issues around Guilt and Blame in your pastoral care program? I have found, in psychotherapy sessions, that these are feelings fairly common in counselling bereavement. I would be interested on your take as to how you manage this in your sessions. Thanks, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:28 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Teresa Oleary: I use a process analogous to Rogerian Client Centered Therapy. The goal is to have people discover for themselves that the guilt is unfounded. Also that once they can get past it, they are free to address the things they need to do to get life re-started again.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:11 PM EST
TERESA OLEARY

Thank you. I am familiar with Roger's Person-centered therapy, although do not use that form very often. Mine is a more Freudian psychodynamic approach. It depends, for me, on the age of the person, and on the ability of "insight". But the outcome is similar - the recognition that the guilt/blame is unfounded, as you put it.

An interesting series of articles on your work. Good luck in what you are doing.

  • 2 votes
#14.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:08 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Best of success to you Teresa. What you do matters, more than you think. I have seen it help people over and over again. Bravo!

Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#14.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:48 PM EST
Reply
smithichie

Excellent article filled with great advice, thanks for posting this Enoch. Like Grisham says above this article is for everyone no matter their beliefs or lack of them.

  • 1 vote
Reply#15 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Smithichie: This is a road we all must travel. It is less burdensome when others are there for us when most we need them, in ways that make most sense to us.

Thanks for sharing your keen insights here. They are appreciated, as is your visit.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#15.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:14 PM EST
smithichie

You're a strong person to be there to help folks with the burden of death, especially the unexpected death of the young which can be simply devastating. It's good that there are folks such as yourself because most of us can barely make it through the emotions a death of a close loved one can bring, I couldn't imagine the toll it would take doing it on a regular basis.

  • 1 vote
#15.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:42 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Your insights are again on mark. Burn out is as common problem in this field.

Those who last focus not on themselves, but on the needs of those they are there to assist.

It is not for everyone. It is necessary.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#15.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:50 PM EST
Reply
SuperSaiyan

I personally have not lost a loved one due to those type of circumstances but I can see why people would feel the way that they do and that articles such as this can be a great help for those who are going through something like this.

Thanks for sharing it with us, Enoch-2699399

  • 2 votes
Reply#16 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:40 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

One needs to go through this fully to understand its ramifications. That said, it is best to know that no one need go through it alone.

Thanks for the visit, the support of what we are doing. Most of all, thanks for being such a wonderful Viner.

Politics is a contentious business. You rise above the crowd by being even handed, and providing keen insights and moderation where needed. Good show!

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:53 PM EST
Reply
J. Lemert Whitmer

As I read the article, and the accounts of many who have posted responses here, I find a common thread. This thread is a sense of powerlessness in the face of the seeming constant and insistent push of time. Time to think, time to suffer anguish, time to suffer anger, time to remember... time to feel -- empty.

I understand Enoch, you were asked to provide Spiritual counseling. (Notice I capitalized Spiritual -- you have been invited into the deepest part of these people's being.) As you know, it is in times of loss that people often begin to question their inner strength. There is never enough of that strength for such times. More often than not there is need for outside help. It is good this family sought it.

The Bible has many accounts of people who lost their children. Adam and Eve, King David, Job just to name a few.... Each of these cases are tragic and anguish filled experiences for the families. Thing is, each person experiences these events differently. Each person loses a part of themselves with the death of a loved one.

Enoch, I can tell from your manner, you are an excellent Spiritual counsellor, and guide. I pray that the one we both worship will guide you and give you strength to help these four and the others in the comments who are suffering. May each of you be Blessed and find the sustenance you need to move on through the time you have.

  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:03 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend J. Lemert Whitmer: We are indebted to you for sharing your warmth, wisdom and humanity. The power of your faith shows through like radiant heat from a crackling fireplace.

It is beautiful to behold.

The Vine is lucky to have a man of your stature here. Many more than you know profit from your good work here.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#17.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST
Reply
Katheryn Brandy

Ah,Enoch - Come be my pastor. :)

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:42 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Katheryn: The invitation is high praise indeed. Many thanks.

Peace and Blessings, Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#18.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:58 PM EST
Reply
Mighty Mouth

I should imagine prison, military or civillian chaplaincy is an intensely gruelling and emotionally exhausting vocation - at the same time very satisfying? It must therefore take a remarkable and exceptional personality to absorb all the powerful, painful emotions involved. Enoch dear friend, you are a disarming powerhouse of wisdom, compassion and understanding - empowering gifts which honor the vine community, we are indeed blessed! ;)

Thanks for sharing a day in the life of Enoch.

  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:40 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend MM: We all pitch in and do what we can. We owe it to others to do no less.

Thanks for your kind words of encouragement and support.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#19.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:44 AM EST
Reply
Al-316

Enoch, my wise and compassionate friend, this area of your chaplaincy services sounds like it could be the most difficult.

Death is the final stage of life here on Earth. The more intense the love, the more intense the loss. There is indescribable joy, pleasure, and satisfaction in loving and being loved. When anything alters that love relationship, the effect can devastating.

Regardless of religious affiliation, death at any age is a traumatic event. The trauma is magnified when the loss is of a young person.

Your role as Chaplain in these times of loss call for wisdom and compassion. Two qualities of which you have ample supply. Keep up the good work, my friend.

May G-d bless you and yours. Al

  • 2 votes
Reply#20 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:41 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al-316: With you are my role model, good friend, inspiration, treasured writing partner, fellow in faith; and lunch companion at Jays Diner how could I fail?

Peace, Blessings, and Avoid At All Costs Jay's Nearly New Novelle Cuisine, Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#20.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:45 AM EST
Al-316

Enoch, the only way any of us could fail is if we consume any of Jay's offerings.

It has become a tradition to gather there for the ambiance and fellowship. But, Jay's smorgasbord is what a pig farmer calls a trough.

By way, I heard a rumor that Jay has a hired a new waiter named Gallagher. Maybe we should stop by and check him out. lol

  • 2 votes
#20.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:18 AM EST
Spikegary

Jay's? West Henrietta Road? I need to find a reason to make it out there.....

The Google map says 83 miles from my house via the Thruway.....

  • 2 votes
#20.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:50 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: Jays is thinking of changing its name to either Enoch Eatery ("Eat here or we both starve"), or La Trough (for the wurst in French haute Cuisine). When Gallagher serves fruit cup they pass out raincoats. When Chef Boiling Water Goldstein bakes a Winnebagel we all just pass out!

Dear Friend SpikeGary: Jays it si when you dome by this way. Let me know by Vine mail your address. If its less than 90 miles, no reason why I can't come visit you. If we hurry, we can beat the spring good visibility and traction driving.

Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#20.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST
Spikegary

Actually, I'm likely less than 10 minutes from scar_tissue.

I'll drop a line....

  • 2 votes
#20.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:59 AM EST
Spikegary

Line....dropped.

:-)

  • 2 votes
#20.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:08 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Thud!

  • 2 votes
#20.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST
Reply
Master Link

Enoch, thank you for inviting me to your postings.

I have learned much about the process of rendering aid to those that are in need, just by reading this article. Thank you... I don't know what I expected of the process, but you fleshed out my understanding...

I lost my younger brother about two years ago, he was 47. He'd been ill for about seven years with a litany of issues. There was a considerable amount of pain as his time grew short. At the end he could barely stand human touch. And, even though I know he is better off without the pain, we still miss him...

I would like to say this, if someone you know is faced with a long terminal illness, spend your time wisely. Mend your differences, now... You do not want to spend the rest of your life with unexpressed guilt...or anger... prepare to live in peace, now!

My brother was a very loving man, and my relationship with him was good. It only got better as the end of his life came closer... I was proud to honor him by writing, and sharing a celebration of his life... with family and fifty of his closest friends... that day I learned my brother had gone through his life helping many people... and some shared with me that they would not have survived their life's trials... if it had not been for my brother's understanding and help...

  • 3 votes
Reply#21 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:01 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Master Link: This is indeed a fitting and noble tribute to your brother. It is also a fine and helpful post to all who come here. Many thanks for your visit, and your sagacity.

May you continue to keep alive the memory of your brother by helping others as he helped them.

You are always warmly welcome in my and our threads.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 4 votes
#21.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST
Reply
Arch-Man

Nice article Enoch, it tells how unselfish Chaplains have to be.

"Behold, how good and how nice it is to sit together as brothers".

Reminds me of Psalm 133: 1 A Song of Ascents. Behold, how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity! 2 It is like the precious oil upon the head, running down upon the beard, upon the beard of Aaron, running down on the collar of his robes! 3 It is like the dew of Hermon, which falls on the mountains of Zion! For there the LORD has commanded the blessing, life for evermore.

Thank you for serving you mankind.

  • 3 votes
Reply#22 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:19 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend and Treasured writing partner ArchMan: Thank you for your visit, and for sharing your love and knowledge of Scripture.

Great literature inspires and brings out the best in us.

Peace and Blessings to you and yours, always. Enoch.

  • 3 votes
#22.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:24 AM EST
Reply
PonGoad

Hi Enoch

In reading your articles and comments, you have a very calm and soothing voice. The brothers and sisters you council must be very appreciative of it in their time of sorrow.

Pon

  • 3 votes
Reply#23 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend PonGoad: Thanks for the kind words, and the visit.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 4 votes
#23.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:59 PM EST
PonGoad

Same to you, Enoch

Pon

  • 3 votes
#23.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:28 AM EST
Reply
Kavika

Niijii, your writings are the ''calm in the storm''....Please keep up this series, it is very important.

  • 2 votes
Reply#24 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:53 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

As time permits. I plan to do whatever I can to help any and everyone on the Vine who desires it.

Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#24.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:00 PM EST
Reply
McSpocky

What a great article, Enoch. You are blessed to be in a profession where you can help people like that. I think there are a lot of us that would be unable to handle the stress that you do.

I've heard from different parents of varying ages how difficult it is to lose a child. I can kind of imagine it, but having never gone through the experience, I don't know how accurately I do. I can't imagine what the family is going through, especially with the wife having had the strokes and such.

Take care, my friend.

  • 4 votes
Reply#25 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:13 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend McSpocky: Thanks for the post, and the visit. Be well my good friend. Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#25.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST
Reply
Leave a Comment:
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
(XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
Newsvine Privacy Statement
As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
FUN STUFF:
  • Leaderboard |
  • E-Mail Alerts |
  • Top of the Vine |
  • Newsvine Live |
  • Newsvine Archives |
  • The Greenhouse |
COMPANY STUFF:
  • Code of Honor |
  • Company Info |
  • Contact Us |
  • Jobs |
  • User Agreement |
  • Privacy Policy |
  • About our ads
LEGAL STUFF:
  • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com